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Portuguese Communist Party[edit]

This is the second time the article is being submited. This is the most complete article on wikipedia about a Communist Party, a subject that lacks a FA. The article contains info on the Party's structure, its 84 year history, its electoral results, media, youth wing, supporters and other info. Afonso Silva 18:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nominate and Support. Afonso Silva 20:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, impressively detailed. There are still places where the wording is not quite grammatical, but I'm doing some work towards improving that.-gadfium 01:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object—needs thorough copy-editing (Criterion 2(a)). Tony 03:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I requested a peer review to the article, but it was soon archived. I agree that the article should have a better wording, but I can't do the copy edit myself, I'm Portuguese and I lack grammatical knowledge of the English language. If the article has a good content and its only problem is the wording, it would be great if someone could edit it in order to fix that. Afonso Silva 13:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Response—Alfonso, you need to find someone who's good at editing to go through it. WP has a list of tried, trusted and hard-working contributors who may respond if you put the article on their list. (Well, WP doesn't have that system, but should, and needs to develop some way of encouraging word-nerds to help; ahem. Apart from raising the generally poor standands of prose in the project, it would go some way towards helping second-language speakers to contribute their valuable, specialist knowledge.) Can anyone hear me? echo echo echo Tony 00:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object. The principles should be in a normal paragraph, not outlined one by one. Article seems biased towards its subject, specially in its use of language (" the workers achieved important objectives, such as the historic victory of an eight-hour working day", "The danger of a Fascist uprising in Portugal was also stated", "the Portuguese resistance against the fascist regime") lack of inline citations, unsourced claims ("the weekly Bandeira Vermelha (Red Flag) which quickly became a very popular newspaper among the Portuguese working classes", "Both of these groups [anarco-syndicalism and revolutionary syndicalism], at the time, were the most active factions of the Portuguese labor movement", "The beginning of the war also initiated a process of unstoppable decline of the regime as it originated a growing unrest inside the Portuguese society"). If this claims were not made by someone else, then it is original research. JoaoRicardotalk 19:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The principles are sourced in the statutes (as the article says), where they appear one by one, by a specific order, which I think, should be respected, that's the reason. I also think that a Party's statutes are the most objective statement of its principles. But it can be changed. For a worker, achieving less hours/day of work should be important, at least for the majority, I don't see the nNPOV of that. But I'll replace it by "their objectives". For a communist Party, the fascism is a danger, that sentence is present as a conclusion of the Congress, I cannot change that, if the Congress found fascism to be a danger, it can only be written like that and I don't understood where the nNPOV is in "resistance against the fascist regime", really. About the things you claim to be unsourced, they were taken from the Party's website, as a Portuguese speaker, you are able to read it, if you want, the link is in the references section, if you consider that source to be biased, no article can be written about the PCP. However, I'll try to fix it. To finish, I, as 99% of the people, think that it is pretty obvious that the colonial war had a major role in the end of the fascist regime, the first issue of the MFA's (the military responsible for the coup of 1974) program was the end of the war and the decolonization, that started in your country, in 1825, and finished in 1974. Anyway, I really thank you for your review.unsigned comment left by Afonso Silva at 14:02, December 29, 2005. - The Catfish 21:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mild Object. Salazar's regime is referred to here unqualifiedly as "fascist". As our article on Salazar makes clear, that is problematic. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC) (dealt with -- Jmabel | Talk 01:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]
  • Mild Support - It has been a while since I have read a wikipedia history article from start to finish! I'm impressed. My only concern is that featured article status may welcome some ideological attacks. And one niggly thing, I would love for there to be a source for the second to last paragraph in "The end of the Socialist Bloc.." (and a few other places perhaps.) But nonetheless, very good!--sansvoix 01:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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