Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2012 NFL Draft/archive1

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC) [1].[reply]

2012 NFL Draft[edit]

2012 NFL Draft (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Toolbox
Nominator(s): NSNW (talk) 19:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because this list is important to me. I am a loyal Indianapolis Colts fan and this draft saw the Colts select Andrew Luck to be their new quarterback ... only to ruin him so much that he retired seven years later. This is my first featured nomination for any type of content so if I don't understand something at first or need help fixing an issue please be patient with me. Best wishes! NSNW (talk) 19:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. The table in this list is built with a template, so I've added an optional `caption` parameter to it; now you can add a visual caption by putting |caption=caption_text as a parameter of the {{NFLDraft-header}} template; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |caption={{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Again, this list is using templates; I've added column scopes to the header template and row scopes to the row template, so it should be good to go now.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 02:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've completed the captions but I'm having trouble adding the column scopes, could you possibly help me with this? NSNW (talk) 03:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. NSNW (talk) 13:04, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Made some updates- you didn't need the colscopes on the templates (I made the change inside the template code itself), one table was missing a caption still, and the last table I had missed entirely so I just made the changes myself. --PresN 18:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
;A few drive-by comments
  • What's actually sourcing the main table? The vast majority of rows have no reference at all and there is no general ref that might cover it all
  • Notable undrafted players section is also completely unsourced
  • All images beside tables should be set to be "upright" format so that they are all the same width -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. NSNW (talk) 12:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • Some of the images are still not set to "upright"
  • No need to use Luck's full name and wikilink him in two consecutive sentences
  • "Tannehill and Foles both had a season in which they led the NFL in passer rating, (Foles was also named MVP of Super Bowl LII)." - if you disregard the bit in brackets then this sentences ends with a comma AND a full stop. Personally I would change it to "Tannehill and Foles both had a season in which they led the NFL in passer rating; Foles was also named MVP of Super Bowl LII."
  • Are there appropriate wikilinks for "passer rating" and "completion percentage"? As someone who knows only the most rudimentary amount about American football, I have no idea what either of these is
  • "Chandler Harnish, chosen with the final pick of the draft by the Colts, made him Mr. Irrelevant for 2012" - this doesn't make grammatical sense. Change it to "Chandler Harnish was chosen with the final pick of the draft by the Colts, making him Mr. Irrelevant for 2012"
  • Why is the Player selections section above the TOC?
  • "A record 65 underclassmen announced" - is there an appropriate link for "underclassmen"? Again, I have no idea what this is
  • "fifteen first overall picks (including seven of the last eight) have been players who have entered the draft early" - is this as at 2012 or as at now?
  • "Bobby Wagner was selected was selected 47th overall by the Seattle Seahawks." - repeated words there
  • "8 players were available, but only 1 was selected" - write these numbers as words
  • Ref 34 in the second block of refs is tagged as dead
  • Pretty sure the publisher of ref 41 in the same block is SBNation, not SBNatio -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All done. NSNW (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude Quick note. The "career completion percentage" link directs to the annual passer rating leaders wiki page; the page also contains information on career completion percentage and there was no separate page about it, so I used it. NSNW (talk) 20:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You have added "upright" to some of the images but also left the fixed image sizes (eg the Wagner one) - you need to remove the fixed sizes so that the image displays at the user's default "upright" size -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. NSNW (talk) 15:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude Any more comments? NSNW (talk) 15:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll take another look over the weekend -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • In the "Early entrants" section, "non-seniors" is linked on the second usage, not the first
  • "Prior to the 2012 draft, six out of the previous seven first-overall draft selections have been players who have entered the draft early" - tense is wrong, it should be "Prior to the 2012 draft, six out of the previous seven first-overall draft selections had been players who had entered the draft early"
  • There are still two images with fixed pixel sizes - remove the fixed sizes -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All done. NSNW (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not done. The first two images beside the table still have fixed pixel sizes, which need to be removed. You need to remove the "185x185px" from the end of the Luck image and the "194x194px" from the end of the Tannehill image -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Should be fixed now, for some reason a previous edit removing the pixel sizes didn't go through properly. NSNW (talk) 14:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Z1720[edit]

I am still new to the FLC process, so feedback and comments on my review are appreciated. This review will focus on the lede, prose, and understandability.

  • "to select newly eligible American football players." Select them for what? Perhaps, "to select newly eligible American football players for their teams." or something similar
  • "and never showed the same ability since" -> "and struggled to regain his ability"?
  • "and never showed the same ability since, Griffin would later be released by the Redskins after the 2015 season." Replace the comma with a semi-colon.
  • "The draft was highly regarded for its quarterback talent, with six out of the eleven quarterbacks selected (Luck, Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins) making at least one Pro Bowl." I want to tighten up this language a little bit, and replace the verb "making" with a more descriptive word to help describe what the Pro Bowl is (without needed to click on the link). Perhaps, "The draft was highly regarded for its quarterback talent; six out of the eleven quarterbacks selected (Luck, Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins) were chosen to play in at least one Pro Bowl."
  • "At the same time the draft also had several notable quarterbacks who are now regarded as draft busts." Delete "At the same time" as it is unnecessary
  • "in NFL history at 28 years old after being selected by" -> "in NFL history at 28 years old when he was selected by"
  • "making him Mr. Irrelevant for 2012." -> "causing him to be dubbed Mr. Irrelevant for 2012."
  • "The draft was held between April 26, 2012 through April 28, 2012." Replace "between" with "to", as this will make it more grammatically correct.
  • "For each player selected in the supplemental draft," -> "For each player selected in this draft," to tighten up the language,

Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 22:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All should be done now. NSNW (talk) 21:09, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support my concerns have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Any other comments that need to be made? NSNW (talk) 13:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM[edit]

  • "April 26, 2012, to April 28, 2012" not sure you need the year each time!
  • "regular selections and 32 compensatory selections" "compensatory selections" probably needs a footnote to explain what it means.
    • Would an abbr or wikilink be fine? NSNW (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "worst record in the 2011 season with a 2–14 record," put "season" inside the pipe link, and avoid repeating "record" so rapidly.
  • "record 26 draft prospects attended the draft" again, draft is on quick repeat here.
  • "around quarterback prospect" link QB.
  • Is there an appropriate article for an NFL "general manager"?
  • " draft Luck.[11] Luck was" etc etc, Luck is repeated quite a few times here.
  • "Griffin III. Griffin III was" repetitive.
  • "MVP of Super Bowl LII" links for both.
  • "Cousins is currently ranked" see WP:CURRENTLY.
  • "28 years old.. " one too many periods.
  • "were both quarterbacks and were" why link QB here??!!
  • "causing him to be dubbed Mr. Irrelevant" by whom?
    • It's a humorous nickname given to the last player selected in the draft. It was coined in 1976 by the "Mr. Irrelevant" for that year, Paul Salata. No specific person explicitly gives it out as an award. I wikilinked the term in the article and cited another source talking about it's history if that helps as well. NSNW (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "List of 2012 NFL draft early entrants" why is the d of draft not capitalised as it is here?
    • It should be capitalized. I quickly glossed over similar lists of early entrants and they are inconsistent in whether or not the "D" in draft is capitalized or not. I didn't make the list nor do I know who did, but the NFL Draft articles are consistent in the "D" being capitalized. NSNW (talk) 22:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which matched the record set in the previous draft" not cited.
  • Supplemental draft table being sortable is odd with just one single entry.
    • I believe there is no way to make it not sortable as it's a NFL draft header template; checked it myself and I haven't found a way to do so. NSNW (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spaced hyphens in all the notes should be en-dashes.

That's all I have for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man. All should be done now. NSNW (talk) 01:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from YttriumShrew[edit]

Disclaimer: this is my first FL review, so I'm still learning how to do this. From the lead:

  • ""Suck for Luck" campaigns by fans, hoping that their teams" -> ""Suck for Luck" campaigns by fans, who hoped that their teams"
  • "He was successful with the Colts, but dealt with several injuries throughout his career and decided to retire in 2018 after winning the NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award and still in his prime." -> The "and still in his prime" feels like an add-on when the sentence is phrased this way. Perhaps something like "He was successful with the Colts, but dealt with several injuries throughout his career and decided to retire in 2018 while still in his prime, after winning the NFL Comeback Player of the Year Award."
  • "However, Griffin would suffer an injury during the postseason that same year and struggled to show the same level of play since;" the tense changes halfway through the sentence here.
  • "A rare occurrence happened when the first and final picks in the draft were both quarterbacks and were taken by the same team. Chandler Harnish was chosen with the final pick of the draft by the Colts, causing him to be dubbed Mr. Irrelevant for 2012." I think these would work better as a single sentence, given both relate to Harnish.
  • "considered one of the best all-time with numerous prospects" I presume this is meant to say "best of all time"?

Other than that, this is great. Feel free to ping me when you've finished with these. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@YttriumShrew I believe all of your concerns I have fixed. NSNW (talk) 19:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support YttriumShrew (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 02:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/2012_NFL_Draft/archive1&oldid=1101428674"