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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 16:10, 17 September 2011 [1].

300 save club[edit]

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Nominator(s): Staxringold talkcontribs 13:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it's FL quality, silly. Glorious return to FLC, Muboshgu also did a mess of work on this list. Much nicer than the old top 500 list. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • As someone who does not know the intricacies of baseball I have no idea what a reliever is this needs clarification: "Only five relievers"
  • "Eligibility requires that a player has "been retired five seasons" or deceased for at least 6 months." - I assume you're referring to inclusion to the hall of fame but as its not made explicit its unclear.
  • The alignment in the tables is a bit confusing. I thought it was common practice for numbers to be centrally aligned and names and dates and a like to be aligned to the left. Any reason why everything is aligned centrally?
  • No particular reason. Simply left the table with no alignment parameters, which makes it look like this. Many baseball lists follow this style, such as 500 home run club. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we need to have the number of saves the pitchers made in 2011 in brackets. I'm not sure its relevant to the list as a whole, seeing as it will be removed when the 2011 season ends I don't see the point in having it.
  • This is incredibly common for any career counting statistic list that includes active players. Yes it'll be removed after 2011, but it will simply be replaced by 2012 figures. It tells you how actively a player labeled as "active" is actually contributing to their save total. IE Isringhausen and Cordero are only 15 saves apart, that seems close if you simply look at save count. But by including the seasonal total you get the additional information that Cordero is still posting strong totals while Isringhausen only has 7. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The two general refs need to be formatted properly and provide an accessdate.
  • I'm not sure bibliography is the correct term to use for the sources. Bibliography to me refers to the usage of books, and as there none used I don't think its appropriate. I think specific would be a better heading.
  • The heading on the 300 saves club template needs the s removing to be in line with this the name of the page.
  • ref 2 needs a publication date
  • ref 3 needs a publication date and author
  • ref 22 needs an author
  • ref 28 needs a publication date
  • ref 26 is not formatted properly
  • ref 8 needs associated press as publisher
  • ref 18 needs an author
  • The references have two differing date formats you need to be consistent and pick one.
  • Fixed all these ref comments. Muboshgu added refs, which was fantastic, but used his formatting style. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 13:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support All my comments have been suitably dealt with, great work. BTW I have a list that could do with a review its here if you have a minute. Cheers NapHit (talk) 15:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "and was later adopted" don't think you need later since you go on to say "in 1969".
  • " where applicable." what does this mean?
  • "23 players in .." avoid starting sentences with numbers so perhaps "In total, 23 players..."?

Otherwise splendid work. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:41, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well thank you. Fixed #1 and 3, "Where applicable" means it was applied backwards to pitchers who had situations that would have been saves had that situation been called a save back then. IE Hoyt Wilhelm pitched in a game on September 20, 1960, 9 years before the save became official. However the statistics record him as earning a save for pitching a scoreless 9th inning with a 1 run lead. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "by entering in the ninth inning of a game in which his team is winning by three or fewer runs and finishes the game without losing the lead." For the flow of the sentence to work, "finishes" needs to be "finishing".
  • Is anything citing the most common method of earning a save? I don't see this in either of the following references.
  • Cite added. It's super annoying to find cites for things so fundamental to the modern game. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see a serial comma after Bruce Sutter, but none after John Franco earlier. I don't care whether they have the comma or not, but this should be consistent in the lead.

You should fix the † to its template, ie {{†|alt=XYZ}}, and use alt text for the template. You could also change the * to the double-dagger (‡) with alt aswell. (both according to the new ACCESS for reading screeners.)
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 21:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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