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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 20:52, 4 November 2010 [1].

Celine Dion singles discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): max24 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. max24 (talk) 18:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 21:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment
  1. Where are the sources for Canadian peaks for "Live (Live For The One I Love)", "I Want You To Need Me", "Sous Le Vent", "A New Day Has Come", "I'm Alive", "Goodbyes (The Saddest Word)", "I Drove All Night", "One Heart", "Tout Lor des Hommes", "Taking Chances", "The Payer (solo)", "Alone", "My Love"
  2. The paragraphing looks a little disorganized, would look better if bunched into a limited amount of paragraphs. For example, "Too Love You More" has its own paragraph.
  3. "Keeping with her French roots" - "Keeping to her French roots"
  4. You should mention that "I'm Your Angel" became one of only 13-17 songs (I'm not sure) to debut at the #1 position on the Hot 100, that a rare accomplishment.
  5. Aside from that, everything looks petty freakin good, and I will gladly support once its addressed :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 00:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


  1. Ad 1 - links are already in the article: [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6].
  2. Ad 2 - fixed.
  3. Ad 3 - fixed.
  4. Ad 4 - fixed. Max24 08:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Six para lead is too long. WP:SUMMARY & WP:LEAD may help.
  • "At age twelve, Celine Dion.." no need to repeat her name. Perhaps just "she". At worst, just "Dion".
  • You mention Gold but don't explain or link it to some article on certifications.
  • Single titles in the opening paragraph are in quotes and not italicised, the Euro song contest entry is without quotes and in italics. Why?
  • "to release Francophone recordings" why not stick to more natural English and say "French language recordings"? Similar for "Anglophone" (which is technically correct but reads horribly).
  • "a rare accomplishment for a French-lanugage song." prove it.
  • Lead seems to discuss as many albums as it does singles.
  • Would prefer to see columns in the tables the same width from section to section.
  • There's an unexplained rowspan for ""My Heart Will Go On""
  • Same in 2003. I guess this is double-A-Side but it needs a referenced note.
  • Ref 33 - is CRIA really a work? I thought it would be the publisher. There are many of these. Italics usually indicate works (e.g. published magazines) while non-italics in these references are publishers.
  • Please ensure that all foreign-language references have the language= parameter filled in correctly.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I am filling in for Max during his absence, so if you have concerns, I will answer them. I have fixed all the issues you mentioned Rambling Man. Thanks.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*fail, since the time of nomination the manual of style for wikipedia has changed and now includes WP:ACCESS. To meet the new standards all discographies must meet the new approved standards at WP:DISCOGSTYLE. And considering that FLs are supposed to examplify the best work on wikipedia this list article fails the new MoS guidelines. I'm point this out on every candidate so please don't feel that I'm singling any thing out in particular. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 18:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've strucken my earlier comment. There is some confusion on-going about this. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 22:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clearing that up guys :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Afro (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment - Why are the AUS, GER, UK, US, US AC columns featured in the 1980s table when they're all just ndash's? Afro (Talk) 10:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there :). Its like that so there is a uniform and continuous rowspan and look in the article. The list would look very disorganized if the first decade had only 4 or 5 columns instead on just leaving them blank.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 11:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can I ask why the Certification link is repeated in the other decade tables and not the links to the charts? Afro (Talk) 13:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I fixed that!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 1, 13, 15 don't have the cite web template. Ref 56, 59 need a language parameter. Afro (Talk) 17:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All Fixed!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I have no problems with the list. Afro (Talk) 21:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Well sourced, allot of info. Good work!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm back after my vacations. I'd like to thank Petergriffin9901 for watching over this nomination while I was gone. Max24 (talk) 17:08, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)
Oppose for now.
  • "137 singles and five charity records" – MOS:NUM says Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures. Fixed.
  • Is ref 1 this. You should always provide links if you are using a url as a ref. Fixed.
    • It doesn't mention the name "Jacques", the song "Ce n'était qu'un rêve" or a release in Quebec. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC) Fixed.[reply]
      • The new ref covers two of those but a "demo recorded by Celine reached Quebec music entrepreneur René Angélil. The demo included "Ce n'était qu'un rêve" (It Was Only A Dream)... René was immediately taken by the beautiful voice he heard on the tape and soon financed the recording of her debut album" is nowhere near the same as a release (music). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The next sentence on celinedion.com says: The first single off the album was "Ce n'était qu'un rêve". Anyway, I have added a book source. Fixed.
  • What makes Québec Info Musique a reliable source? Fixed.
  • "top-ten". Not sure this should be hyphenated. Same with number-four. It would be a "number-one single" but a record would reach number "number one". Fixed.
    • Still lots of hyphenated positions. IMO peaked at number-four should be "...at number four." Likeways with many "number-one"s and a "number-six" in the lead. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC) Fixed.[reply]
  • "real international breakthrough" according to who? I'd really like some full perspective on how this is referenced. Fixed.
  • considered a "critical success", again {{By whom}}. Might be best to just let the facts do the talking. Fixed.
  • Personally I'd spell out US on first occurance. Fixed.
  • Her following single, "If You Asked Me To" peaked at number-four on the Billboard Hot 100. missing comma? Fixed.
  • Does Charles P. Alexander actually say "signature song" and "until...1990s". Fixed.
  • Also InfoDisc.fr. Same reliable source question as above. InfoDisc is used in WP:CHARTS as a reliable source.
  • "To Love You More" in Japan ... selling over one million copies – not cited. Fixed.
  • "height of her popularity" seems a bit WP:POV. Fixed.
  • Couldn't find "D'amour ou d'amitié"'s French Gold disc in cite. Source says: "In 1983, she became the first Canadian ever to receive a Gold Record in France."
  • CRIA is offline but I'll AGF and re-check when I revisit this. CRIA is offline for about 2 months now. I don't see any other articles removing Canadian cefrtifications beacuse of that. We're waiting for this site to come back.
    • 2 months is a long time. For such a heavily biog'd singer can you not find another source? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment It is not fair to hold that against the nomination. All articles are suffering from this problem, and noone is removing them either (Canadian certs), so its unfair to hold it against the nomination. However, I have gotten in touch with the CRIA last month, so I will try to procure an official document from then for Dion.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added a book source. Fixed.
  • "Ne partez pas sans moi"'s Belgian #11 isn't in the ref. Fixed.

Stopped reviewing here. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All fixed. max24 (talk)12:07, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. max24 (talk) 23:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Updated all links. Fixed.
All fixed. max24 (talk) 18:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update the corresponding accesdates for those refs and that should be me done. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. max24 (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all my problems have been addressed and, although I have not checked every chart placing against its source, those that I have checked and my dealings with the nominator allow me to assume everything is in order. Nice work, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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