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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:34, 16 January 2013 [1].

Justin Timberlake videography[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Tomíca(T2ME) 19:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I think it meets the feature list criteria. I have worked on it for certain period of time. Justin Timberlake is well known singer and actor who deserves his own videography page as he has enough of music videos and films. I think that the lead covers the most important content from the table, which is sortable and people can see who is the director and from which album the video/song comes as well as how much the film budget was and its theater gross. For all the users who oppose I would like to post their comments so I can improve the article. Thank You. — Tomíca(T2ME) 19:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I have read and have no comments by now. Good candidate. I may leave some nit-picky comments later, but I'm ready to support. Good work. — ΛΧΣ21 19:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! — Tomíca(T2ME) 19:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose some opening thoughts:
  • The hashlink to the "1970s_revival,_The_New_Mickey_Mouse_Club" section of the linked article doesn't work at all. I imagine it should be linking to the "1989–95 revival (MMC)" section if anything.
    Fixed. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was his fame related to the fact his was "youngest member " of N'Sync?
  • "music video for the song was directed by Bucky Chrome and contained several dance sequences" who is Chrome (he's not even redlinked, is he significant?) and what is so significant about a music video containing "several dance sequences"? Most do.
  • "Like I Love You" was his first solo music video, so I found crucial to mention the director. I removed contained several dance sequences though. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "who allegedly portrays his former girlfriend Spears" first name your source, e.g. "who, according to ..., portrays..." and second, the source doesn't actually say the video does what you say it does at all.
  • "He portrayed Frankie " -> "He then portrayed..."
  • Where are you getting your "moderate box office success" from? Is 15.1m "moderate"? Who says it is?
  • "four music videos for singles of the album were shot" ->"... from the album".
  • Last two paras of lead are unreferenced.
  • Where there are no other performers, why not just say "None" rather than "N/A"?
  • Lawrence caption, where are both awards referenced?
  • N/A shouldn't sort by "n" because it gets in the way of the normal sorting.
  • I would need help here, can you do help me please?
  • "Akiva Schaffer, member of the Lonely Island, " cite please.
  • Ref should be Refs for multiple refs.
  • "Season 6-7" endash please.
  • One table has a caption, the others don't.
  • Now it's consistent.
  • Check ref titles for compliance with WP:DASH.
  • {{Cite video}} is up for deletion, be aware if it's not adequately replaced or redirected, this list will need more work.
  • The tl is up for renaming actually. So, it wouldn't make much changes tbh. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Box Office Mojo. Flixster." which is the work and which is the publisher? Both can't be the publisher, normally works are shown in italics.
  • Because Box Office Mojo is not officially italicized title on Wiki, If I use work I should add work=[title] to it. It's same actually, Box Office Mojo is work and Flixster is the publisher, I just explained why I added them in publisher. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unknown in the budget/box office should sort as zero.
  • Is that USD adjusted or is it per the year of the release?
  • I am not sure, how should I know that, it's not in the sources. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is nothing in the sourced to say if it is adjusted or not. I don't know how the note should be written tbh. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does "No Rules" have no link?
  • Because it does not have a wiki article. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 12:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A few comments from Status:
  • "None"?
  • Well I used the {{n/a}}, but according to The Rambling Man it was better to you just "None", don't know why tbh. — Tomíca(T2ME) 07:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Video" is not needed in "US Video". You don't say "US Album" or "US Single" do you?
  • Television programms --> Television programs (don't even need the word program)

Statυs (talk) 03:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment
  • You have forgotten the two daggers in the Films section. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I see nothing wrong here, so I am confident supporting this FLC. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – you're really good with videog/filmog/discogs now, Tomica. I have a few suggestions that perhaps you should consider:
  • Organization: not sure if mixing the film works and music video projects in the lead is nice. Why not dedicate one paragraph to music videos and another to film? That way, you follow the lists.
  • Thanks for your proposal, but I personally think that there is nothing wrong as it is right now. I find it a bit odd having it split and I think chronologically is better. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cohesion: "In 2002, Timberlake launched his solo career and released his solo debut single..." – Replace "Timberlake" with "he", to avoid unpleseant repetition.
  • Unnecessary detail: "taken from his first studio album Justified" – It's irrelevant; just remove and say "... solo debut single 'Like I Love You', the music video for which was directed by Bucky Chrome."
  • Repetition: "Francis Lawrence directed the music video for 'Cry Me a River'" – Perhaps simply "video" is better.
  • Redundancy: there's a lot of fluff here – "the music video for the song won the accolades for Best Male Video and Best Pop Video."
  • Grammar: "it received mixed response" – this reads a bit awkward. Perhaps "it received mixed responses" or "mixed reviews".
  • Manual of style: "Timberlake released his second studio album FutureSex/LoveSounds— four music videos for singles from the album were shot." – no space after em dashes.
  • Formality: "movie critics" should be "film critics".
  • Speaking of formality, "girlfriend" is too colloquial. Use "lover" or "romantic interest". —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Repetition: speaking of which, you only need to say "film critics" once. Then, refer to them as simply "critics".
  • "Timberlake starred in the drama The Social Network (2010), where he portrayed Sean Parker, the first president of Facebook." – The Social Network is not a place, so use "in which" instead.
  • Redundancy: "both of the films were commercial success."
  • Sorting: titles beginning with "A" or "The" should be sorted by the word following the "a" or "the". For example, The Love Guru should be sorted as Love Guru, The, using {{sort}}.
  • Consistency: be consistent on whether you use {{Unknown}} or just "Unknown" in plain text.
  • This is slightly ridiculous, but how do we know the name of the directors/producers isn't "Unknown"? Your best bet would be to use a dash and then at the bottom of the table say "—" denotes an unknown director (or producer or whatever)," or use {{Unknown}} for all of them. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll get back to this one later. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing: For what is the VEVO/YouTube link cited?
  • To support the sentence for "Cry Me a River" video synopsis. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm a bit worried with this one. Not only does the CBS source not support the Spears accusation, but we need a better source for the synopsis summary. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing: what makes Adland a high quality reliable source?
  • Citations: Geffen is linked twice.
  • Citations: Avoid double periods (eg. "Warner Bros.."). — WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I've looked it over, and I'm happy to support. Well done. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 14:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good, nice work Tom. – Et3rnal 18:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • In the "From 2007 to 2009" sentence, I don't think the comma should be there after "including". Minor, but should be taken out before promotion.
  • You got rid of the one before the "including", not after. You should probably move the comma that's left. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Francis Lawrence caption, "Timberlakes's" should be "Timberlake's", without the second s.
  • Films: The Role column should be made sortable by last name, in the cases where last names are avaliable (obviously this doesn't apply for the roles with first name only).
  • What makes Cinema Blend (ref 80) a reliable source?

Giants2008 (Talk) 18:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SupportThis list meets the FL criteria and is well-written. Good work Tom. —PKS:1142 · (TALK) 18:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Why have you not included the 'N Sync videos? I fail to see why these are not a part of his videography just because four other guys were in the group too. He was in those videos, so to exclude them makes the list incomplete.
  • They shouldn't be here, because this videography is for work for which he got credit solely as Justin Timberlake, not an NSYNC boy or whatever. Their respective videos could be find in their respective discography. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is related to one of the points made below by me: how are his performances with Madonna any more relevant than those for 'N Sync? At least a small section with his activity back then should be included here. Nergaal (talk) 09:32, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay guys, do you rеаlize what I am talking about here? This isn't about if its notable or not, but if it did happen or not. In the music videos of 'Nsync he was not credited as Justin Timberlake, which is different for ex. "4 Minutes" (a song by Madonna which features vocals by Justin Timberlake). This list is about music videos and films he did on his own, not as part of some group or whatever. — Tomíca(T2ME) 13:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technically, music videos don't belong to an album. They're promos for the single, so perhaps it's not necessary to include the album column.
  • Of course that the column is for the song, I don't see reason for removing it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreleased material cannot be part of the videography, especially Runner, Runner, where there's not even information on the character he plays. By the time those two movies are released his scenes could have been cut.
  • What? So what if the material is not released yet, it doesn't mean it wouldn't be released? If something changes I will change it here too. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having "unknown" for the role and episode of Touched by an Angel in unacceptable.
  • How come? I searched the whole web and couldn't find another information for it. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chuck Lorre is the creator of SNL, but perhaps that column could be expanded to include writers and directors, so you could list the writers and directors of the Touched by an Angel episode and SNL shows or sketches.
  • I found who is the director for every episode of SNL (altough I can't for Touched by an Angel, as I said above), but I am not sure how the column should be now named, because we have creator, producer and director. If you could give a proposal it will be fine. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 06:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: I've read this, it is very organized and clear. It works well having everything in one article :) Glad to support. Arre 18:37, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments I think the music videos section requires an extra column saying who is the main artist of the album; none should probably use some sort of gray background; I would also strongly suggest to have column for awards that he won for the video performances (similar to how album lists have certifications). Nergaal (talk) 09:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tbh, I found that columns completely unnecessary. First, if people want to know who is the main artist of the album they will go to its wiki page. And about the awards column, this is Justin Timberlake videography, not List of awards and nominations received by Justin Timberlake. — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    You do realize that there's no room for that, right? Box office gross and its budget is fine enough for film information, that is often not even included in filmography tables. And as Tomica said, there's an article for that.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 20:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comment from Aaron
Resolved comments by Aaron
  • Comments - Perhaps make the Role/Director columns etc for the various tables the same width? Same for Title on Music videos table and Guest appearances table AARON• TALK 18:15, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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