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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 01:14, 29 September 2008 [1].

List of Calgary Flames head coaches[edit]

What's another sports list, eh? Based loosely on List of Vancouver Canucks head coaches, which is a current FL, I believe this list is at the same level. I look forward to all feedback. Resolute 01:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

  • He was hired June 14, 2007 and is entering his second season behind the Flames bench in 2008–09. - "He was hired on June 14, 2007.
  • Keenan is one of the winningest coaches in NHL history, and won his 600th career game in 2007–08 behind the Flames bench. He is one of six coaches to reach the 600 win plateau - winningnest is not a word.
  • The lead should state who was the first head coach, the middle head coach (like the median coach), and the current coach and other coaches with significant accomplishments.
  • Decrease the size of Playfair's image.

--SRX 23:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done, done, done and not done (yet). Playfair's image appears as the same size as Sutter's on both of my computers, and does not interfere with the article layout. Is there an issue being caused on your screen that I am not seeing? Resolute 00:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It goes beyond the section where the table is located, it goes into the see also section.--SRX 00:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It does at that, but I did not see that as a problem since it does not interfere with any text or formatting. I'll make I have made some changes though. Resolute 01:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from -- K. Annoyomous24
  • Comments
    • The fixed the image problem on the key (problem only on IE), but second picture goes all the way to the References.
  • I hate IE... I'll have to play around with the images a bit to find a way to keep them from screwing with alignments and from bleeding over into subsequent sections.
  • There we go! An unnecessary columns template was causing the issue. That's been fixed.
    • Shuold talk about Mike Keenan, the current head coach.
  • There is already a paragraph about Keenan in the lead.
    • Need full stop in the sentence, "Statistics are correct through the 2007–08 NHL season".
  • Fixed.
    • Add Jack Adams Award to Darryl Sutter's Awards and milestones.
      • He didn't actually win the Jack Adams. -Djsasso (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I dont think milestones should be on the table, but since it is, needs the exact date of the occurrence.
  • Removed. The only real milestone listed is Keenan's 600th win, which is in the lead section.
    • Delete the See Also section as I don't think you need one. Also, the only articles related to this one is the top 2, but I still don't want the section.
  • Removed the bottom three listings, but the list of head coaches of the Atlanta Flames is directly relevant.
    • No reference for the coach were elected into HoF, and the coaches who spent their entire careers with the Flames at the NHL level.
  • Fixed the three coaches who only coached the Flames at the NHL level. Johnson's induction to the HHOF is already cited in the lead.
  • The keys are nearly identical, with the only real difference being that I use winning (points) percentage rather than a point tally. I've never heard of a coach being judged by points earned with the team.

-- K. Annoyomous24[c] 06:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the feedback. Resolute 15:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I think its a well done list. Don't necessarily agree with K. Annoyomous24 in that the Key should be changed, I actually think the key on the other feature list should be changed to this one as WP:HOCKEY discussed awhile ago that we wanted to have W-L % in the tables for coaches. I think the See Also section is needed, however only for the top two links. -Djsasso (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit
  • Comments Very good list, just a few concerns:
  • "The Flames arrived in Calgary in 1980 after transferring from the city of Atlanta, Georgia, where they were known as the Atlanta Flames from their founding in 1972 until relocation." - Think this should be referenced
  • Fair enough. I didn't think this statement would likely be challenged, but a reference has been added.
  • "entering his second season behind the Flames bench in 2008–09." change this to "entering his second season as Flames head coach in 2008−09", some users (me included) might not understand what "behind the bench" refers to
  • Fixed
  • "He is one of six coaches to reach the 600 win plateau." change to He is one of six coaches to win 600 matches." add "over 600" if he has
  • reworded
  • I would like to see a reference column added to the table, you could then move the references next to the symbols into this column
  • A column for three references seems superfluous to me. The rest of the chart is supported by a general reference. Would it serve to rename "awards" to "notes" and move the three refs and two notes over?
The references column would include references for all the coaches not just for the three who currently have references, see List of Phoenix Suns head coaches to see what I mean NapHit (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The list of coaches and their stats are all sourced to the Flames media guide via a general reference. I personally don't see the need for a redundant listing for every coach. Resolute 14:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The images don't need full stops
  • Fixed
  • Yes they do; the captions are complete sentences. I fixed them. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all NapHit (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Resolute 20:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great list, well done NapHit (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support The Rambling Man (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... the current coach of the Flames, the 13th person ..." why not "current and 13th person..." (or similar) - you avoid repeating coach and Flames that way..
  • Good idea. Changed.
  • "600 win " hyphenation required.
  • Changed... damn I need to figure out where hyphens belong and where they don't, heh.
  • "behind the bench " - call me dumbass Brit, but what?
  • Guess that is a bit of a colloquialism. Reworded
  • Don't think you need to link cancer.
  • doh, delinked.
  • Lead and captions have season formats as XXXX–XY while Coaches table has XXXX&ndashXXXY?
  • Generally, I use the xxxx-yy format to denote an individual season, and xxxx-yyyy to denote a time frame. I can revise if it is preferred all be the same.
  • For consistency, note B should have a full stop.
  • Fixed (stop)

The Rambling Man (talk) 13:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks for the comments! Resolute 14:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • I added the full stops back to the image captions since they are complete sentences.
  • "600 win milestone" needs a hyphen between "600" and "win".
  • "Doug Risebrough, Dave King, Pierre Page, Brian Sutter, Don Hay and Greg Gilbert all failed to lead the team past the first round as the Flames failed to win a playoff series during those years." Repetition of "failed".
  • Note A needs a comma after "thus" and change "has"-->had.
  • Note B needs a full stop at the end. Change "Prior to" to "Before", it's simpler. Could we have a source for this statement? That shouldn't be too hard to find. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • All comments should now be addressed. Resolute 16:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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