Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Colorado Avalanche draft picks

List of Colorado Avalanche draft picks[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 1 support, 2 oppose. Fail. --MarcK 00:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After the promotion to Featured Article of List of Colorado Avalanche players, I thought of doing this. The article is similar to the other, complete and verifiable. The sort tables help a lot to view the data the way you want, either by overall pick, games played for the Colorado Avalanche, and so on. I think this deserves to be a Featured Article.--Serte ^{[ Talk · Contrib ]} 12:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As it stands, I have a few complaints with this list.

1. Too many redlinks. Most of these players never ended up playing for the Avalanche, or in the NHL period. Therefore, they are not notable enough to have their own links. I'd remove the wikilinks for anyone who hasn't played in the NHL, and create at least stubs for those players who have.

2. Why is this sortable? The data here isn't the type that needs sorting.

3. The table formatting in smaller resolutions is awful. The pictures on the right take up nearly half the page, cutting out a good portion of the information on the table. Is there any way you can fix that so the pictures are in proportion to the rest of the list? I note the same problem with the List of Colorado Avalanche players.

Fix some of these issues and I'll reconsider. Anthony Hit me up... 12:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1.I think professional players are notable enough to have an article, even if they didn't play in the NHL. Playing in the AHL as a professional goes with the Wikipedia notability criteria, I think, but, I see your point and I'll remove the links to players who haven't played in the NHL yet.

In all fairness, the notability criteria for hockey players is set out in the WikiProject: either one game in the NHL, or five seasons in the AHL or otherwise (see here). My point was not to remove every player who hadn't played in the NHL yet; merely that many draft picks don't even make it past juniors, so there were certainly more redlinks than needed, but every single one didn't have to be removed. I apologize if I was unclear about that point. Anthony Hit me up... 18:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2. Being sortable, doesn't take anything OUT of the table, it only adds to it and you can ignore it if you want. I don't see how that could be something to oppose. Anyway, the sortable lets you see all the players drafted ordered by nationality, year of draft, round drafted, overall pick (to see that Alex Tanguay was the Avalanche highest draft pick with nº 12, or that Jeff Finger was the lowest pick that ended up playing for the Avalanche: 240), Regular Season games and playoff games. I think it's useful, I'm failing to see how does it make the article worse than not having it.

It's not that it takes anything out of the table per se, but it makes it, for lack of a better word, messier than a straightforward table. I swear, I'm trying my best not to exhibit any bias against your idea simply because I'm offering an alternative, but I can honestly say that, even if I had not been working on a table with the design I'm proposing, I would still have the same complaint about the sortability. There's not much to sort with here other than games played and nationality. Plus, as Djsasso said on the WikiProject talk page, it separates the individual draft years. Every other draft history page I've seen (here, here, and here) does not have sortable tables. I'm just of the mindset that we should try to keep as much cohesiveness across Wikipedia as possible, and if we can match other sports and have them look to us for guidance and precedent, we should do it. Again, I cannot stress how much I am not dogging on you for this; I'm merely trying to explain my point of view in as straightforward a manner as possible. Anthony Hit me up... 18:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3. I really don't know how to fix this, so I'll take the images out of the article.

Thanks for the feedback. --Serte ^{[ Talk · Contrib ]} 14:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Instead of having all players listed surename, firstname, you should use a sortname template. --Krm500 17:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Having all the draft years in one table makes it really hard to use effectively. It would make alot more sense to have each year separately. While this team has a relatively short history I suppose it may not make as huge a difference as say a team thats been around since the implementation of the draft but it still does make this page pretty hard to use and like Anthony I like to see things consistent across Wikipedia and this just wouldn't work for teams with larger histories. If I want to know players from a draft (and I often do) I like to be able to see in chunks of years. Yes I know you can sort by year since you used sortable tables, but that still means I have to try and remember which row of the table I am on. --Djsasso 05:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]