Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of ICC Cricket World Cup finals/archive1

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The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 15:42, 10 May 2011 [1].

List of ICC Cricket World Cup finals[edit]

Nominator(s): Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 09:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all FL criteria. Article has been based on a similar FL article, List of FIFA World Cup finals.Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 09:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The first three were 60-over matches. Nowadays, ODI pretty much means 50 overs, so mention this fact in the prose.

added to lede. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 07:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better if the key were summarised in table format. When a reader is going through the list and comes across some sort of symbol or colour, he doesn't want to read through several sentences to figure out what it means.
The "Final" header column is pretty much redundant, IMHO. The article title says list of finals and the section heading also says final, so it's pretty obvious what the table is about.

Its just to mention that we are talking about the actual final match result and not tournament on the whole (as the result is the same). Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 07:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Make the table sortable. Is there a better way to arrange the information? For example, I'd like to sort the table by the scores of the first and second innings, as well as the teams. Try to separate them if possible.

Current version per suggestion during PR. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 06:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arrange the co-hosts in alphabetical order, unless there is some other criteria?

This is what has been officially used. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 07:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Official where? If you say it's official, you need to show that. Otherwise use alphabetical order which is the most neutral method. Also, the cricinfo scorecard pages used as inline refs for each row in the table do not mention the host nations, so make sure the host nations column is supported by refs. Chamal ^T•C 09:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps move the refs to their own column? This will make it obvious that the reference supports the information in the entire row, and not just the result. It'll be slightly easier to locate too.

Yes, I would tend to agree thats a bit better. Moving them now. Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 06:47, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chamal ^T•C 14:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Why is ICC expanded on its second use, not the first?
Is there a reference covering your opening definition of the World Cup?
Five of the six sentences in the first paragraph begin with "The": try varying your sentence structure to make the paragraph flow better, at the moment it seems little more than string of bullet points that have been put together.
Ref 5 can go at the end of the sentence, there's no need for it to be mid-sentence like that, it just breaks the flow unnecessarily.
"Seven teams have competed in every tournament, six teams have reached a final, five of which have won the title." – Sounds a bit repetitive: perhaps list the nations that have played in all the tournaments, and then state which of those did not reach a final and win. Something like (but probably different from): "Seven teams have competed in every tournament; Team A, Team B, Team C, Team D, Team E, Team F, Team G and Team H. Of these, only Team F have not reached the final, and England are the only finalists never to have won the competition."
"There have been seven different venues used, with Lord's Cricket Ground hosting four matches [6] being the only venue to host more than one final." – Try to avoid sentence structures that use ", with ... verb-ing ..." such as this one does. Perhaps restructure it to: "Lord's Cricket Ground is the only one of the seven venues used to have hosted multiple finals, doing so on four occasions, in 1975, 1979, 1983 and 1999." (Or something like that).
"..between 3 and 6 associate nations.." – write three and six out.
Link associate nations to List of International Cricket Council members#Associate Members.
"Though an associate nation is yet to reach the finals," – Should be final, singular.

There are quite a lot more prose issues, and overall the prose is not written to a very professional level. If you can address the points above, and leave me a message on my talk page, I'll put up some more points, and we'll try and get the writing up to a better standard (although my own writing is often full of redundancies and the such). Harrias ^talk 12:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – In addition to the ones above, I found these things:

"The tournament has takes place every four years." Should be without "has". Also, there should be a note made that there have been three and five-year cycles in the past. Maybe say it's usually held every four years?
"The current trophy stays with the ICC, a replica is awarded to the winning team." Could use "and" after the comma.
Remove space before several reference in the lead, not just ref 5.
No need to capitalize Cricket in "Nations with Test Cricket status...".
"Since 1996, between 3 and 6 associate nations have qualified to play the tournament as well." Writing the numbers out has already been recommended, but let me add that the end would be better as "qualified to play in the tournament as well."
The following is a run-on sentence and could stand to be split up into multiple sentences: "The West Indies won the first two tournaments, and Australia has won four, India won two and has been runner up once, while Pakistan has won the tournament once and has been runner up once as well." Australia having the most titles would be nice to note if this is split.
Australia has played in the maximum final matches". It seems like "maximum" would be better served as a simple "most".
"remaining runner up in all three finals appearances." I don't like the use of "remaining", and this is another plural use of "finals" which should be made singular.
Caption: "ICC retains the current trophy with inscriptions whiles an exact replica without inscriptions is awarded to each winner." "whiles" → "while". Also, "The" should be added at the start.
The table has "Runner-up", while the lead has a couple uses of "runner up". Does it have the hyphen or not? I think it should, but the page should be consistent either way.
In the main table, decapitalize Venue in "Final Venue" and Nation(s) from "Host Nation(s).
Last word should be decapitalized in the Results by Nation heading.
References 1–4 and 6–7 should have the publishers in italics, since they are from newspapers. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:38, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose – It's been almost 10 days now and my comments haven't been addressed. It looks like nothing has been done concerning Harrias' batch either. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw - Theres been a pile up of comments and I dont see myself attending to all these queries as fast as I should during an FLC. Thanks to all those who gave their input, apologies for bringing this in and not devoting time to it. Thanks also to The Rambling Man for the reminders, I just have too much on my plate at the moment, I should have withdrawn this earlier. The comments will help myself (or another editor for that matter) take things into A/c before the list comes back for a second nom (which I hope will happen sometime). Cheers, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 15:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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