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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Lebanon international footballers born outside Lebanon[edit]

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Nominator(s): Nehme1499 00:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With more Lebanese living outside of Lebanon than inside, the national football team has reflected this statistic by increasingly using more foreign-born players in their roster. From the Armenian diaspora to today, I managed to gather quite a bit of interesing information. Nehme1499 00:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !Country of birth [...] becomes !scope=col | Country of birth, with each header cell on its own wikitext line. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |{{BRA}} becomes !scope=row |{{BRA}}, again with the header cells on their own line. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 16:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Thanks for the review, I think I've taken care of everything (dif). Nehme1499 20:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • "At the 2000 AFC Asian Cup, the LFA naturalised" - I doubt they did this literally at the tournament
    • Changed to "In preparation for the 2000 AFC Asian Cup". Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as of 2021, Lebanon is" - 2021 will soon be two years ago, so better to say "was"
  • "Armenian player Vardan Ghazaryan was the Lebanon national team's leading goalscorer" - full stop missing
  • "After Homenetmen and Homenmen were relegated to the lower divisions in the early 2000s, Armenian presence in the national team fell" => "After Homenetmen and Homenmen were relegated to the lower divisions in the early 2000s, he Armenian presence in the national team fell"
  • No need to link Lebanese diaspora twice in consecutive sentences
  • "This is a list of football players" - don't bold that last part
  • I think it would add to the article if the number of caps and goals was shown against each player, rather than it just being a list of names
    • I could do that, though how do you suggest formatting it? Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd suggest a fairly simple table of country > player name > caps > goals. Maybe date range of international career? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • @ChrisTheDude: Done. Do you think the two tables should be kept under a single subheading? Nehme1499 17:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think it looks OK right now. One point, though - the list of players should sort based on surname, not forename -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review! I've taken care of everything (bar the caps+goals request). Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • One final thing - now that the caps and goals figures have been added to the first table, the figure for Antar is different to both the second table and his image caption.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Nehme1499. I was just wondering if it be more factually in tune to list the Armenian players as being born in the Soviet Union instead of the Republic of Armenia, and instead note something like... "Apart of present day  Armenia" or "Born in the  Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic, in present day  Armenia." I just think this because it lists 'country of birth', and these players were born in the Soviet Union. Just a consequence of the 'Empire like' nature of the Union. Feel free to disagree as its just my opinion, but either way I support as its a good list :) Idiosincrático (talk) 03:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Idiosincrático: I'm pretty indifferent about this. The only reason I preferred to put Armenia rather than the Soviet Union is because the players were referred to as “Armenians” by contemporary sources, rather than “Soviet” (in line with the Lebanese of Armenian descent from the early 20th-century). Anyway, if someone else also prefers to keep “Soviet Union” I’ll change it. Nehme1499 20:42, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has been here a long time; I found some issues, but went ahead and fixed them rather than keep if going back and forth longer. As such, source review passed, promoting. --PresN 20:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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