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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Gimmetrow 00:20, 4 July 2008 [1].

List of Los Angeles Lakers first and second round draft picks[edit]

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I am renominating this article since I think I resolved all the criterias in order for this article to become featured list material. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Much improved since the last nomination.

--Crzycheetah 01:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The territorial picks are on the list because teams who forfeit their first round draft picks usually pick a territorial pick for a replacement. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Trade notes are the ones where you say Lakers traded player X to Team Y for player Z. Take a closer look at all Cincinnati links and you'll notice that they are linked to different articles.--Crzycheetah 17:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry for misunderstanding your question. $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oppose All years, positions, and colleges should be linked because this is a sortable table. The trade notes are still incomplete.--Crzycheetah 17:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Crzycheetah, Gman124 told me to remove the overlinking from the table so I thought it would be the right choice. I'll undo the unlinking right now. Annoyomous24 (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(→) I have added several trade notes, but there's still missing many more. Just take a look at how many picks the Lakers had in one round. By the NBA rules, each team is allowed to have one pick in one round, but the Lakers had 2 or more in one round in several years; therefore, we should mention where the additional picks came from.--Crzycheetah 01:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the second paragraph, last sentence, I wrote "Teams can also trade their picks, so some years a team could have more than or less than two picks." Annoyomous24 (talk) 3:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, where did you get the trade notes. I want to know the reference. Annoyomous24 (talk) 3:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, you do mention that they may have more than one, but you also have to mention which ones they traded for. The reference I use mostly is the Lakers Media Guide, but it's in a flash format, so I m not sure whether we can put it as a reference here on Wikipedia.--Crzycheetah 03:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Opening sentence is blah.. Can a more engaging one be used instead of repeating the article title?
  • Is "of those in the sport of basketball." necessary? It mentions NBA and WNBA, so it's sort of obvious.
  • "got its official name" → "took its official name" perhaps?
  • It also needs explaining why the team from the most south-western state in America takes its name from a state over 2000 miles away in the north of the country
  • "The Lakers are generally regarded as one of the NBA's most successful franchises." Who does? It needs referencing
  • "Then in 1989," poor word to start a sentence. Passive voice going on here, too.
  • "Many notable first round draft picks from the Lakers include Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Norm Nixon, James Worthy, and A.C. Green." Surely every player picked is notable?
  • Split the key into four columns so it's not as long
  • You need something other than green cells to denote a Hall of Famer, per WP:ACCESS. Asterisk, daggers or carets will do the trick.
  • n or mdash, not hyphens in the cells to denote "nothing"
  • What does T mean in Round?
  • F/C, G, C/F etc all need explaining in the key so that the reader doesn't have to navigate away
  • Why does "Retired Lakers' Number" need pointing out. What's the notability behind it?
  • Refs 21 to 25 should be rendered as footnotes

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • People who are not familiar with the NBA or WNBA don't know what's the NBA or WNBA so it's not obvious to them. Every pick is notable put I just put the ones that are more notable. Comments 11 and 12 are on the key. Retired number should be pointed out because they are the players who did something special for the Lakers and I think they should need pointing out. Also, the Orlando Magic draft history also repeated the article title so I don't think repeating the article title would be a problem for this article to become featured list status. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • But you give the full meaning of NBA and WNBA (which includes the word basketball), so it is unnecessary Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • What makes them "more notable". According to who? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • What did they do that was special? Why were the numbers retired? If you're going to point something like that out, you have to explain why. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Orlando Magic draft history was promoted a little whiles ago, and things change. See WP:LS#Bold title: "the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text". From WP:LS#Establish context: "Where an article title is of the type "List of ...", the repetition of the title in the first line should generally be avoided in favour of providing readers with useful information about the context of the list." This is a recent change to the MOS. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • So how come some other featured lists related to basketball include the Hall of Famers? Those lists don't even explain why the Hall of Famers are on this list. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 21:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Huh? I wasn't talking about Hall of Famers. I don't get your question Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I think retired numbers are more of a honor than the Hall of Fame so I think the retired numbers should be on this list. (Annoyomous24) (talk) 19:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Well it's this list being reviewed at the moment. You should explain the importance of retired shirt numbers. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 23:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from --Gman124 talk 22:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are the position and college names Overlinked, in my opinion they should only be linked the first time they appear. --Gman124 talk 22:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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