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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 16:20, 4 November 2008 [1].

List of North Melbourne Football Club coaches[edit]

I am nominating this page for FL status, I believe that it fully meets all FL criteria. Any problems, please let me know. C4v3m4n (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unfortunately, I'm going to have to oppose for now. I haven't read the article yet, but I notice quite a significant issue. Virtually the entire article relies on http://afl.allthestats.com/. My main concern is this statement at the bottom of that page: "No guarantee regarding the accuracy of the statistics on this site is given." Is there any way to prove that it is, in fact, reliable and accurate? Better yet, could you replace it? Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately, this is the only website available that records all of the VFL/AFL coaches. I, myself, was reluctant to put them in, put I had no choice. I hope you understand. C4v3m4n (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It can't be used. Use another one please, or find other reliable sources that consider this one reliable. Gary King (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Looking at it, looks more of a blog type site, especially with that note that they have claiming that they don't guarantee the validity of the statistics deems it less reliable, please search either for more reliable sources or a general reliable source.--SRX 01:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Gary King (talk · contribs)
  • "just a few kms north of " – this is too colloquial, and it's too vague when it could be exact. Can't an exact distance be given? It's about five kilometers, isn't it? Provide a converted value for miles, too; you can use {{convert}} for that.
  • "1869 purportedly" – "1869. It was purportedly" – and do you have a reference for this information? Who claimed this, if it was purportedly?

Gary King (talk) 23:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose from SRX (talk · contribs)
  • The Kangaroos are based in North Melbourne, just a few kms north of Melbourne metropolitan area. - please spell out kilometers and use {{convert}} to convert it to miles as well.
  • The North Melbourne Football Club was formed in 1869 purportedly established to satisfy the needs of local cricketers who were keen to keep themselves fit over the winter months. - makes no sense, do you mean fit as in "health in exercise"?
  • They entered the VFL (Victorian Football League) in 1925 after 48 years in the VFA (Victorian Football Association). The name of the organization is first, than the acronym in parenthesis.
  • Wels Eicke became the first coach of the North Melbourne Kangaroos in 1925, serving for two seasons before retiring after the 1926 season. - after one mention "North Melbourne Kangaroos," you can say only Kangaroos or just Melbourne, switch throughout don't be repetitive.
  • In terms of tenure, Denis Pagan has coached more games (240) and seasons (10) than any other coach in the clubs history[2]. - citation should go after period.
  • The first three paragraphs need to be merged into one.
  • The parenthesis are really killing the flow of the prose, like In terms of successfullness, Ron Barassi has been more successful (65.91% win/lost record) than any other coach in the club's history[3]. - First of all "successfullness" is not a word, also would be better stated as "Barassi has been more successful, with a 65.91% win/loss record) [notice it's loss not lost]. Also, citation after period.
  • IMO, the Term years should be linked to the respective seasons.
  • Need more variety of references, you mainly only use one, which I also question it's validity.--SRX 23:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • As mentioned above, this is the only website available that records all of the VFL/AFL coaches. Any suggestions? C4v3m4n (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Like those commenters before me, I dislike the reliance on one website with questionable reliability. However, I don't like the tone of some phrases in the lead, and I see MOS issues. This article would have greatly benefited from a peer review.

  • "The Kangaroos are based in North Melbourne, just 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) north of Melbourne metropolitan area." "just"-->which is.
  • "It was purportedly established" Sounds skeptical.
  • "They entered the" The previous sentence referred to the team as "It", now it's called "they".
  • "In terms of tenure, Denis Pagan has coached more games (240) and seasons (10) than any other coach in the clubs history."
  • "He coached the Kangaroos to two AFL Premierships in the 1996 season and then again in the 1999 season." Colon or semicolon after "Premierships".
  • "In terms of successfullness, Ron Barassi has been more successful" Repetition.
  • "(65.91% win/loss record)" Is this level precision necessary?
  • "7 coaches" Spell out numbers under 10.
  • "He played only 21 games for the Kangaroos and coached 20 of those games."
  • Use symbols along with colors in the table per WP:COLORS.
  • Use unspaced en dashes for the year ranges in the "Term" column.
  • "Thomas coach the Kangaroos for a single match in 1926, while a replacement coach was found after the sacking of Gerry Donnelly." Wrong tense. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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