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The list was promoted by Giants2008 02:14, 11 August 2015 [1].

List of ODI cricket centuries scored on debut[edit]

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Nominator(s): Joseph2302 (talk) and —Vensatry (ping) 19:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302 created the basic article. I expanded the lead and tidied up the table a bit. Look forward to comments and suggestions —Vensatry (ping) 19:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Azealia911 talk 19:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Azealia911

General

  • Why is the article not titled "List of One Day International cricket centuries scored on debut"? The abbreviation in the title seems rather confusing, and expanding doesn't make it overtly long. The article for One Day International isn't abbreviated to something like "ODI (cricket)", and even if it a commonly referred to abbreviation, things like MTV Video Music Award are still used as article titles (over "MTV VMA's" in this case)
    • You're right. Will move the article once the discussion gets archived. —Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Picture of Martin Guptill needs an alt.
So it is, sorry, I saw the ]] next to Guptill's link and mistook that for the end of the file. Could you possible expand on it? Just his name is rather brief. Azealia911 talk
No, WP:ALT suggests in these kinda lists it's fine to have the names alone. —Vensatry (ping) 10:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • "regarded by the critics as a significant achievement." Needs citation.
  • Both instances of "achieved this feat." → "accomplished this"
  • Why is the F in Full members capitalized? (Not a cricket expert I'm afraid, if it's something to do with that, that's fine, just pointed it out in case it's a grammatical error)
  • "no player from Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka has achieved this feat." I don't see what relevance this holds.
    • Because these three teams are full members of the ICC, it makes sense to add them here. Also, the Indian batsmen have scored the most centuries in ODIs, so it definitely adds some relevance to the context. —Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sentence about Dennis Amiss needs citation.
    • Not needed as it's referenced in the table. Added a ref. for the FN —Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His total was bettered" → "His record was broken by"
  • "when the latter" there's only one name mentioned in the sentence.

Key

  • Move the key to below the table, and remove an equals sign from each side, having both of them at the same header level gives off the

vibe that they are unrelated.

This still needs doing Azealia911 talk
In general, we list the key above the table. You might want to have a look at similar lists. As for the equals sign, can you elaborate a little more on it. Are you referring to the rowscopes? —Vensatry (ping) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough for listing the Key first, but having both the "Key" and "ODI centuries on debut" under ==These headers== gives off the impression to me that the sections are unrelated, I suggest as compromise:

==One Day International centuries on debut== ===Key=== *Key* *Table*

ODI centuries on debut

  • Change section header to One Day International centuries on debut per my comments about the article title.
I meant the section header as in "ODI centuries on debut" to what I suggested.
Still needs doing
  • In Venue, add the country to each listing.
First listing needs a country, please link the countries as well.
Still needs doing
  • There's a space next to Won before the ref (like Won [3]) for Dennis Amiss' listing, remove it.

Notes

  • The first sentence of the second paragraph in the lead discusses the first ODI century, there is then a note that reads "It was the first ever century scored in ODIs." when we've literally just been told this in the sentence?
    • The sentence says "English cricketer Dennis Amiss was the first debutant to score a century in ODIs". It cannot be inferred that he was the first to score a century in ODIs. —Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove note [b] completely, it's explained immediately after in the table, and holds little relevance to how many times a scoring player's team lost.
    • I disagree. It would give an impression that of the nine occasions a cricketer has scored a century, his team has won seven times. —Vensatry (ping) 09:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  • {{reflist|2}}→{{reflist|30em}} it's more browser friendly.

Think that's everything I spotted. Azealia911 talk 01:44, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

  • I'd remove the Key listing on no result, and just link the page to about it in the ODI box.
    • Since the 'Result' column is sortable, I may have to link 'Won' and 'Lost' also. So, it's better to have the explanation (hyperlink) in the key itself. —Vensatry (ping) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • All but one reference now appears in the Notes section?

Looking a lot better Azealia911 talk 10:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Summing up final notes (would appreciate you replying here as opposed to above)
  • Key needs changing to what I suggested, or at least something that gives the two sections some kind of connect, if you're still not sure as to what I mean, give me the green light and I'll change it myself, which we can then always discuss.
    • It won't confuse the reader, as the header precisely tells the purpose of each table. —Vensatry (ping) 18:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The section header for "ODI centuries on debut" needs changing to "One Dday Internationals centuries on debut"
  • All of the countries in the "Venue" column need linking.
  • I'm at a loss as to what you've done to the Footnotes/Notes/References. Change "Footnotes" header to "Notes", "Notes" to "References" and implement the ref at the bottom. See here if you're unsure of what I mean.

Once these are addressed I'll happily support. Azealia911 talk 13:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can now happily Support per all comments being addressed. Would appreciate any feedback at an FLC I opened, thanks. Azealia911 talk 19:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Azealia911: Will review your nomination soon. —Vensatry (ping) 10:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "by the critics" -> by critics
  • "did not make any appearance in first-class cricket then." I think what you're trying to say is he had not played in first class cricket before his ODI debut? Needs to be clearer and worded better
  • "With only four instances happening between 1972 and 2008, it remained a rare feat. However after 2009, this feat has been achieved more frequently than ever before, by five players from four different teams." I would try and reword this so it flows better. How about "Between 1972 and 2008 only four players scored a century on their ODI debut. However, since 2009, five players have achieved the feat."
  • Batsman column should sort by last name
  • Need an accessdate for ref 1

NapHit (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NapHit: All done. Thanks for the comments —Vensatry (ping) 19:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias talk
  • "While at least one player from seven of the ten teams..." I think "Although" would sound better starting this sentence, rather than "While". It might be better completely reworked to something like "Players representing seven of the ten teams that have full member status have scored an ODI century on debut; no players from Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka have accomplished the feat."
  • It would be more interesting (to me, at least) to note that Amiss' century came in the second ODI ever played, rather than it being in "the first match of the Prudential Trophy in 1972".
  • "His record was broken..." What record? You haven't mentioned a record. I assume, given what follows, you mean the highest score on debut, but the only thing mentioned previous is that Amiss was the first player to score a century on debut, and that record clearly can't be beaten!
  • "the most recent cricketer to score a debut ODI century." The term "debut ODI century" is a bit ambiguous, as it is also used to refer to a player's first century, even if they score it in their seventeenth match! I would rephrase this for clarity.
  • "..his team has lost two times." I'd change "his" to "their" personally.
  • Ref #9 is missing an author.
  • Ha! Just noticed that this wasn't an author at all. Must pay attention to foreign languages! Harrias talk 19:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #10 has a typo in the work name ("Aamanack"!) and should take an endash, rather than a hyphen in the year range. Harrias talk 09:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, great work, and good quick responses. Well done! Any chance you could take a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Greg Chappell/archive2? Harrias talk 19:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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