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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Olympic records in swimming[edit]

List of Olympic records in swimming (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it's current, and while it may not be stable for the next two weeks, I'll keep on top of it. In the meantime, feel free to let me know if anything's missing. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed comments from - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The 1900 Games - change to The 1900 Games of The 1900 Games
  • "100 m" - 100 metres (expand contraction on first use)
  • There is an inconsistency with dates in the article some are mdy (in the table) and some are dmy (the refs)
  • The fact on Phelp's picture needs a cite
  • The men's 100m free, 400m free, 1500m free need cites
  • The women's 100m fly, 100m back and 4x100m medley need cites
  • Refs 6, 11, 14, 17 all need correct formatting

Oppose for now as quite a bit of referencing work needs to be done. Happy to reassess if issues are fixed. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 08:24, 7 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]

  • All done, thanks. Phelp's fact comes from the other references in the table. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments from Yellow Dingo
  • Ref 1 does not have any of the information you use to sight it with in the text
    Fixed. The official website has changed, different source used. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 2 doesn't mention the White City Stadium or the River Seine
    Fixed, using the archived page. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should mention Individual Medleys in the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph
    Medleys in general mentioned. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the key "denotes" should be capitalised as it is the start of a sentence
    Don't agree, I think the diamond character is the start of the sentence. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to repeat the key for the women
    I don't see why not, someone could skip straight to that section from the ToC. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The work in ref 3 should link to NBC Olympics
    It's actually "Olympics on NBC". The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't mean it shouldn't link to the article even if piped. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Well I've linked it without piping. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah yes, sorry didn't see you had already linked it. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The work in refs 4, 12, 26 should just be Olympics
    Disagree, that's a redirect to the article about the Summer Olympics. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough with the link but the work should still just read "Olympics" as that is the name of the website. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's actually Olympics.org, but I've rendered that into prose. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The work in ref 6 should link to BBC Sport
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The work in ref 9 should link to ESPN
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whats the point of having an empty external link section
    I've added a commons cat. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good work on the first set. Heres a few more. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:04, 8 August 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Yellow Dingo responded to all your comments. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The men's relay teams seem to be sorting by first name, not last name. The women's relay teams don't have this issue, so there might be a little formatting tweak required. I didn't find anything else worth noting. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:20, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Support – That did the job. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Addressed Comments from Ravendrop (talk)

A few comments:

  • Why are marathon records not included? If this is because they aren't kept (which I suspect, because I couldn't find any), I think that should be noted somewhere.
    The lead states that this considers pool-based events only. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I missed that, thanks. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the end of the first paragraph of the lead include when the standard 50m pool was first used. The last mention is of 1908, but according to Swimming at the Summer Olympics it wasn't until 1924 that the 50m was used. As of now, it seems incomplete to me, and just from reading it I would have assumed that the 50m was first used in 1912.
    I'm not sure why that's important to the records? The information is held in the article you link to (correctly so), and this is just a brief overview of the history of swimming at the Games. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that adding the half sentence it would take to complete the thought wouldn't harm the page in any way, especially as the link to the history article is a little bit away, but I'm not going to oppose solely on this point. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is London 2012 highlighted as the standard in the second paragraph. Either change to 2016 or say something generic such as "currently"
    Will be updated in the next few days once swimming has concluded. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cesar Cielo is referred to in the table by his common name and in the caption on the photo by his full name (Cesar Cielo Filho), pick one for consistency.
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Double check the total record numbers in the second paragraph (I know it's still active). Additionally, as it adds to 33 due to a tie in one record, I would add a note explaining that (especially as the sentence explicity states "of the 32 records")
    Will be updated in the next few days once swimming has concluded. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Just note that I corrected this (Australia was listed as 4 and Sweden was missing) Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As an aside, I think that if they exist the olympic records for discontinued events would be interesting to add, but since this isn't common practice on other similar pages, my support isn't conditional on them being added.

Otherwise looks good. Ravendrop 23:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • As you say, this isn't commonplace, and would be irrelevant to this style of list. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments Ravendrop, I've responded inline above. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All done now Ravendrop thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:50, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks good, see just a couple of comments above. Ravendrop 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comment from Cheetah (talk)
  • Comment I think the "Event" column needs to be sorted by the type of swim (i.e. 50m freestyle, 100 m freestyle, 200 m freestyle). Now, it just sorts by the numbers (i.e. 50m freestyle, 100 m backstroke, 100 m breaststroke).Cheetah (talk) 01:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Personally I'm not even sure there's any need to sort this col at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's needed. When someone sorts the list by name/nation, he can later sort the "Event" column to get back to the original order.Cheetah (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    No, you missed the point. The events aren't comparable. It's probably no sorting at all here, especially as the relay teams won't necessarily sort with individual records. Thanks, I'll make both tables unsortable except by date and games. Thanks for your help! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I think what he was saying is that you should be able to sort by event, but with sortkeys so that it sorts by type instead of distance- hitting sort event would make it 50m back first, then 100m back, 200m back, etc. That way, if you sort the table by name, you can re-clump the events back together by sorting by event. Not saying you should, just trying to translate. --PresN 17:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I've made it so it can be sorted back to its original order. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • You need to add rowscopes to the table so it complies with MOS:DTT
  • ref 11 needs the author adding

Struggling to see any other issues. NapHit (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done these two, thanks for the eagle eyes. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support now. Great work as always The Rambling Man! NapHit (talk) 19:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source Review
  • Formatting: Some of your website titles are a little odd - I personally would have used "Rio 2016" or "Rio2016.com" or "Rio 2016 Games", not "The official website for the Rio 2016 Games", e.g. something that names the actual organization that is publishing the material, rather than a descriptor of the website. Though, you also use "London 2012 official website" - which isn't even true, ref 20 redirects to olympic.org. Can you try to standardize, and use a title that's an actual title and not a description?
  • Spotchecks: checked refs 3, 14, 24, 34 - ref 34 is a 404 page, rest are fine, though as I say above the london 2012 refs are also redirecting to another site.
  • Completeness: no obvious gaps

Some issues to be fixed before this can be promoted. --PresN 18:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All done, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 16:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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