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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 00:45, 13 June 2010 [1].

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List of Plymouth Argyle F.C. seasons

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Nominator(s): Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this because I believe that it meets all current FL criteria. It follows the structure established for football season FL's and having gone through further improvement after a Peer review, I think its now ready. Any feedback is much appreciated. Thank you. Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments Six paras in the lead is a little too much. Not the first time that has happened! I've got it down to four now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't see a verb in that caption so it's an incomplete sentence, no full stop required. Fixed. "was considered as secondary to the Southern League." reference? Reference added. "more club's were" don't think you need that apostrophe. Fixed. "Remarkably, the club.." a bit too tabloidly. Remarkably, Ipswich have failed to be promoted having done shedloads of playoffs. I don't consider it remarkable, just depressing. This is just me trying to give you an example of POV...! Heh, fair point. I bet finishing second six years in a row was joyous though, compared to 2009–10; depressing doesn't do it justice. Fixed. One FA Cup links to, well, the FA Cup, another FA Cup links to a specific season. I don't like not knowing where I'm linking to. I've removed the second link to the specific season. "they were relegated" vs "for the first time in its history" now, being BritEng, I'm happy for it all to be plural, but at the least, be consistent. You're correct. Fixed. "as they attained 102 points in the Third Division" this needs context for non experts. When I put it in initially I thought it might be overdoing it a little for the lead, since its included in the table below with citations. Removed it now. Don't like the idea of attendance being hyphenated. Perhaps put a break after Average? Fixed. "scored 10 goals in 10 consecutive matches" 100 goals?! I know what you're saying but this doesn't read correctly for me. I see what you mean. That would've been quite something. Fixed. What makes footballsite.co.uk a WP:RS? I was warned in the peer review that Footballsite might be questioned as a reliable source. I've now added references to Statto which has been accepted as reliable in previous nominations. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the review. I'll get to work on it in the morning because its been a long day, I just wanted to get on quickly and see what I have to do. Regarding your first comment; I assume its okay if I merge one or two of them together? Argyle 4 Lifetalk 22:40, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Struway2 (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments in passing... I've already had a go at this one at peer review. The lead section's very blue. Maybe link to the first Football League season article, so readers can see how the link works, and after that, only link to a season if its particularly relevant. Especially as most of the xxxx-yy Football League articles are just garishly-coloured league tables. Thats true. I've removed them all apart from three; the most recent season, the first season as a professional club, and the first season in the Football League. "The club won their first League championship in forty-three years at the end of the 2001–02 season, breaking numerous records in the process" my immediate reaction is "such as...?" I've added three; points tally, goals conceded, and clean sheets. Note W. amalgamation is a dablink, and as a plain English word, doesn't really need linking anyway Fixed. Note AB, AF both have apostrophes that shouldn't be there, there may be others Good spot, I removed a few more on further inspection. Although the nominator goes even further over the top than I do when it comes to "informative" footnotes :-) it is nice to see a sports list taking seriously the part of Criterion 3a that encourages "annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items". I would like to point out that it has less than the article regarding your club. ;-) It was you who suggested that I have a good go at it and once I got going I kept finding more and more to add. I've added a couple more book references for clarity. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC) Thanks for all of your help in the last couple of weeks. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 18:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

• Support Satisfies criteria. I do have one general comment on the apparently inconsistent grammar of football clubs which comes up regularly and was raised here by Giants2008, i.e. the application of the British-English discretionary plural. Where "the club" refers to the entity called Plymouth Argyle Football Club, it would normally take a singular verb: so "Plymouth Argyle Football Club is an English association football club..." and "the club was founded in 1886" is grammatically correct in British English. Where it refers to the team or the players, it would normally, and grammatically, take the plural. It comes naturally to the BritEng writer, which is probably why the nominator couldn't see anything wrong when Giants raised the question. (I tend to work round it on Wikipedia by only using the words "the club" when I mean the entity or when the verb takes the same form in singular and plural.) To the British ear, there's no inconsistency, just a WP:ENGVAR difference, and the change to "PAFC are an English association football club" really grates. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

• Comment There are a couple of dead links; please check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
  • I was hoping the page in question would come back, but its been nearly a month so it doesn't look likely right now. I've removed one dead link in specific references and replaced the one in general references with an archived version which goes up to the 2007–08 season. Cheers. Argyle 4 Life^talk 21:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments – Is the club singular or plural? In the lead, it varies widely in different spots. Can you point out where please? I can't see where it differs but it wouldn't surprise me if its blatently obvious. It happens sometimes, especially in the morning! I'm not an expert at writing prose but I try my best to make it roll off the tongue easily. The easiest place for me to spot it is in the opening part. We have "Plymouth Argyle Football Club is", "They compete", and "The club was". Quite a variation, especially as the rest of the article sees the club used in a plural sense most of the time. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC) How does it look now? I've seen variations in other season articles which is why I've been a bit confused. Some use "are" when describing the club, others use "is", etc. "They were also invited to compete in the Western League, a competition which was considered as secondary to the Southern League." Lose "as" since it is an unneeded word in the sentence. Removed "as". "but it was to be Argyle's last as a member...". Last what? I'm assuming last season, but it doesn't say that earlier in the sentence. Added "season". "with Argyle being placed in the latter." Never have been a fan of these "with ... -ing" type sentences. As a replacement, you could try "; Argyle was (or were) placed in the latter." Changed it to "Argyle were placed in the latter." Would you mind splitting this into its own sentence? Read it and you'll see what I mean. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC) I see, a run-on sentence. Done. "before winning another League title in the 1958–59 season, the re-unified Third Division." Is there supposed to be another "in" after the comma. If not, the last part of the sentence should be moved to what it's intended to expand upon (the title). Added "in" after the comma. All of the colors should have symbols for accessibility, not just the promotion and relegation ones. Added one each for winner and runner-up colours. Bolding is starting to become discouraged in FLs, so the entire season column could stand to lose it. The normal alternative (italics) is already in use, so I have no real issue with using it for highlighting here; however, there should be a note in the key on its use in the position column, to match the other existing notes. Removed the bolded column and champion positions. Note J: Try not to have a sentence start with a number, such as in "21 of the 22 Southern League...". Fixed. Note W: Picky, but I don't think the hyphen in "newly-united" is needed. From my FAC experience, most hyphens after -ly are discouraged by the leading prose reviewers. Fixed. In references 61 and 62, the publisher (The Independent) should be in italics since it is a printed publication. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC) Fixed. Thanks for the helpful review. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 10:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC) One more thing to go with my responses above: in note AD, "clubs" should be switched to "club's". Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Done. Thanks for the comments. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 12:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Support - Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

• Support all looks good. Sandman888 (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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