Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Toronto Maple Leafs head coaches

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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:05, 5 August 2008 [1].

List of Toronto Maple Leafs head coaches[edit]

Finally I have a FLC for my favourite NHL team. This is modelled after the List of Detroit Red Wings head coaches. All concerns will be addressed by me. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

You can not match the size of the following fields for the same size?

Regular season (-W–L %)
Playoffs

Cannibaloki 19:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I center aligned all of the columns too (pre-emptive strike). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Resolved comments from Crzy cheetah 20:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Find "Red Wings" and replace it with "Maple Leafs".
  - Done.
- The "current coach" sentence can be merged with the second paragraph.
  - Done.
- "Statistics are up to date as of the end of the 2007-2008 NHL season." should be a note in italics in the Coaches section.
  - Done.
- Don't link Charles Querrie twice.
  - Done.
- There are several names that are linked to disamg. pages. Fix them.
  - Done.
    - Armstrong and Brophy remain.--Crzy cheetah 22:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Whoops, missed those. Fixed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The "A" note along with the "The Win-Loss percentage" note should be in the notes section.
  - Done.
    - I don't see a notes section.--Crzy cheetah 22:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I decided to just move the note to the key section. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Get rid of See also section; that link is in the template below.
  - Done.
- For the citations, nhl.com publishes the work of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Make the necessary fixes.
  - Done.

--Crzy cheetah 20:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Toronto Maple Leafs are a professional...
- Could you widen the Key table?
- Silver font on a blue background is hard to see, maybe you should change silver to white?
- References in PDF format should have a |format=PDF field.

--Crzy cheetah 20:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All concerns addressed. Reso lute 00:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

En dashes for year ranges (such as the links to season pages)
Merge the last two paragraphs of the lead somewhere as they are short.

Gary King (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the year ranges already use en dashes. The paragraphs have been merged. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- "from 1999 to present" should be "since 1999".
  - Done.
- "There have been 36 head coaches in franchise history" should be "There have been 36 head coaches in their franchise history".
  - Done.
- link all the years to its NHL season
  - Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- link Toronto Arenas and Toronto St. Patricks.
  - I linked the Arenas, but there is no page for the St. Pats
- "while three others have been inducted as builders: Conn Smythe, Hap Day, Punch Imlach and Roger Neilson..." you listed four.
  - Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- don't you think there should be points on the table?
  - Fixed.
- site reference for Pat Burns having a Jack Adams Award.
  - It is, in the next sentence.
- can't you find a picture of any of the coaches instad of Air Canada Centre?
  - Nope.
- Make all terms have a "####–##" form.
  - Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you also add Overtime Losses with Ties because there both one point and also because when Ties are on, Overtimes Losses weren't and vice-versa.
  - Actually, OTLs were counted before the abolition of ties. You mean shoot out losses. I disagree with that, because in the end a loss is a loss.
    - I thought in the NHL, OTLs and SOLs are counted as 1 point which is the same as ties. -- K. Annoyomous 24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 07:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If all is done, I'll support.

-- K. Annoyomous 24 00:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support
- To make it a little bit better, just link the years to its NHL season. I'll do the ####–## problem after I sleep. -- K. Annoyomous 24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 09:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- "coaches–A running " - why capital A?
  - Fixed.
- "has two separate terms " two or more.
  - Done.
- "1923–24" probably should be "1923–1924" to be consistent with the others.
  - It already has an endash
- "Joe Primeau *" remove the space before the asterisk.
  - Done.
- The two 1980s are centrally aligned while other single year reigns are not.
  - Fixed
- While it's factually correct to say two coaches had .000 %, they only served for four games between them so it's not that statistically significant. Could you caveat it and perhaps mention % worst coach who served for a season?
  - Done.
- What makes a coach interim vs one who only serves for two games?
  - The difference as I see it is that an interim coach is one who coaches as a temporary replacement for another coach who they know will come back. For example, King Clancy coached 15 games while John McLellan was away for health reasons. McLellan was still the head coach, but Clancy just took over on an interim basis. Someone like Dick Duff on the other hand was brought in as a potential permanent coach but was just let go.
- "Although Pat Quinn won the award with two different teams prior to coaching the Maple Leafs.[4]" ... this is not a complete sentence.
  - Fixed.
- Is the W/L% calculated like that officially? If so, it should be cited, otherwise it could be assumed to be WP:OR.
  - I'll look into it.
- Ref 4 is nhl.com but you have publisher = NHL. At the same time you have the first and third general ref and ref 1 as publisher = nhl.com. Be consistent.
The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Some of my numbers aren't adding up. For Imlach (1959–69) I keep getting 365 wins, but the list says 358. Same with McLellan (1969–73). Also, it appears two of the references don't agree with how many games Art Duncan coached: cdn.nhl.com says 49 games but hockey-reference.com says 47. How can we find out how many games he really coached? --maclean 19:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For McLellan and Imlach, the numbers you're seeing also include the games that were coached by an interim coach. However, there was a small error with Imlach's total, and I believe I have fixed it. As for Art Duncan, the hockey database backs up the NHL numbers, so that's the total I used. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The team is singular when not talking about the members, so "The Toronto Maple Leafs is a professional ice hockey team based in Toronto, Ontario."
- Done.
  - Heh, CrzyCheetah pointed this http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/plurals.html out to me, so it might be worth changing it back to "are". Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"There have been 36 head coaches in franchise history" --> In the franchise history
- Done.
"and Dick Duff.[2] while four others have been inducted as builders" Change the period to a comma, or recast the beginning of the new sentence
- Done.
"Mike Rodden, who coached the team in 1927 and Dick Duff, who was the head coach in 1980 both only coached two games and neither won one." "Both only coached" sounds odd. Consider recasting this sentence as "Neither Mike Rodden nor Dick Duff, who coached only two games each in 1927 and 1980 respectively, led the team to a winning match." Or something else entirely!
- Done.
Can we get a more formal term than "fired" re Paul Maurice?
- Done.
Could you resize the second column of the Key box, so that the # explaination doesn't take up 5 lines?
- Done.
I think {{tl|reflist|2} is recommended for more than 20 references
- Done.

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing else objectionable. Matthew Edwards (talk • contribs • email) 15:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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