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The list was promoted by Giants2008 20:09, 11 July 2012 [1].

List of international cricket centuries by Mohammad Yousuf[edit]

List of international cricket centuries by Mohammad Yousuf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): ZiaKhan 19:11, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. This is a well referenced and list based upon List of international cricket centuries by Ricky Ponting and List of international cricket centuries by Virender Sehwag. Please feel free to make your comments and suggestions. ZiaKhan 19:11, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —SpacemanSpiff 07:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
*Quick comments
    • Should some info be provided on his career trajectory, especially the in-and-out of the team portion for a couple of reasons. The info provides better context to the scores.
    • The spade should likely be replaced by † or something else that's acceptable per ACCESS guidelines.
      • Replaced.
    • Date needs a key entry -- score date, Test start date?
      • Done.
    • For sorting scores, NO should rank better than out at the same score.
      • Done.
    • Test series -- Wastn't the Sharjah Test considered as "Home" officially?
      • According to the reference it is a neutral venue.
    • There are some typos in the lede, a quick copyedit should do the trick.
      • Please take a look.
    • I'll go through in lede in detail later, but overall it's come along quite well.
      • Thank you. ZiaKhan 05:21, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Astronomyinertia has made changes, I think you should take a look now! ZiaKhan 04:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

—SpacemanSpiff 19:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I couldn't find any outstanding issues, good work on the copyedit and the list in general. The only comment I have, and this is general in nature -- are we switching to the "superscript M" for the MoM? It looks a little odd (as most of the lists that I've seen use symbols). —SpacemanSpiff 11:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose quick ones
  • When sorting by score, 102 not out is better than 102 so it should sort above it.
    • Already done.
  • "as a Middle order batsman" no need for capital M here.
    • Done.
  • Put (ODI) after "One Day International".
    • Done.
  • "during 2003-2010" use en dash for year ranges.
    • Done.
  • "ocasiones" proper typo here... "occasions".
    • Done.
  • " to official cricket with" not really, just back into the Pakistan national team.
    • Done.
  • Lead is all out of order, your second para is talking about stuff in 2008 etc, but then you go on to talk about stuff that happened in 1998. Needs a lot of work.
    • Done.
  • "Stadium in the 2005–06.[19]"... grammar fail.
    • Done.
  • "Yousuf, among 24 centuries, has scored 4 double centuries, while his Test centuries have been made at 16 cricket grounds, including 11 at venues outside Pakistan" awful prose I'm afraid. Maybe "Yousuf has scored 24 centuries, including 4 double centuries. His Test..."?
    • Done.
  • "record breaking" is usually hyphenated.

I'll leave it there, the lead is a little too lengthy and needs serious copyediting. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've tried a little, please take a look now! ZiaKhan 21:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Astronomyinertia has made some change, You should take a look now. ZiaKhan 04:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More comments, still opposing until you get a good copyeditor involved

  • " the Pakistan side in 9 Test and 8 ODI matches during 2003-2010.[5][6]" -> nine, eight, and use en-dash not hyphen for year ranges. And I would even avoid that, perhaps "between 2003 and 2010".
    • Done.
  • "in International cricket than" no need to capitalise International.
    • Done.
  • "century—120 not out—came " suggest you replace unspaced em-dashes with spaced en-dashes, and link not out.
    • Fixed.
  • "at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore in the same year" usually would say "at the Gaddafi...". Apply throughout.
    • Done.
  • " at Gaddafi Stadium, in third of the 3 match Test series " -> avoid repeating yourself, so "at the same venue, in the third of the three-match Test series..."
    • Done.
  • " He has made 24 centuries including four double centuries.[10]" you already said the 24 centuries thing in the first paragraph of the lead, and I would expect double century to be hyphenated.
    • Done.
  • "He holds the world record for the most number of runs in a calendar year" presumably you mean in international Test cricket, or do you mean of any player playing anywhere in the world in any format?
    • Added "In Test cricket".
  • "he was named the Wisden Cricketer of the Year" one of. They usually name five if I recall correctly.
    • Done.
  • " Inzamam-ul-haq." -> " Inzamam-ul-Haq."
    • Corrected.
  • " list of leading century-makers" no need for "leading".
    • Removed.
  • "Yousuf has made 7 centuries at home grounds and 8 at other venues." seven, eight.
    • Done.
  • "played only three" remove "only".
    • Removed.
  • "all against England during 2006-2010," see note above about year range phrasing.
    • Done.
  • "Meaning" entries in table don't need a full stop.
    • Removed.
  • B/F doesn't sort correctly (and you could just call it Balls).
    • Fixed.
  • The 104 v India, really his "373"rd match?
    • Changed to 58.
  • Avoid the space between scores and superscript notes.
    • Removed.
  • You have "Forfeit" in the table but not in the key.
    • Done.
  • Faislabad->Faisalabad.
    • Corrected.
  • Is ESPNcricinfo a publisher or a work? Check the formatting of it in your links and refs. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Vensatry
Comments from —Vensatry (Ping me)
  • formarly->formerly.
    • Done.
  • "Yousuf's first ODI century came", no need for 'ODI', since you have already stated that.
    • Done.
  • "his position in the all-time lists for making centuries is tenth overall in both Tests and ODIs". This statement needs clarity.
    • Fixed.
  • "eight opponents"->eight different opponents.
    • Done.
  • Inconsistency in "Venue" column.
    • Fixed.
  • You have used "Draw" in the key but represented the same as "Drawn" in the "Results" column.
    • Corrected.
  • You must use ESPNcricinfo for the "work" parameter. ESPN EMEA is what you should use for the "publisher" parameter.
    • I don't think this is necessary.
      • You had earlier used "ESPNcricinfo" in the publisher parameter. It must be used in the "work" parameter. Only the "Publisher" parameter is optional and you don't need to mention if the website is a self-publishing one. —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think your concerns are addressed by Astronomyinertia! ZiaKhan 04:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why some of the ref titles are italicised.
    • Fixed.
  • B/F – denotes balls faced -> Denotes his position in the batting order.
    • Link "balls faced" and if possible also link batting order.
      • Done.
  • "However he has made the most number of international centuries for Pakistan". You don't need to explain this again, because it's the caption given for the image.
    • Removed.
  • "When sorting by score, 102 not out is better than 102 so it should sort above it". This comment made by TRM is still not addressed.

Oppose – The prose part of this article generally appears to be weak and is certainly not upto FL standards. Given the number of concerns, I may have to oppose this list at the moment. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did some copyediting and reorganization in the article. I think it needs to be reviewed again. ASTRONOMYINERTIA (TALK) 17:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. ZiaKhan 04:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments

I'm convinced with the prose but still there are a few issues:

  • Unlink the second occurrence of "runs" in the first para.
  • Since you've already used the Cricinfo link for "List of Test and ODI centuries" as a part of specific references in the list, there is no need to specify it again and distinguish them as "General" and "Specific" ref.
  • Is he retired form T20I? If not, the sentence "but failed to score a century" must be rephrased. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I've switched to support now as the list meets FL standards. Great work by Bencherlite. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias
Oppose the article currently has multiple prose and MOS issues. To list a few that jump out:
  • "His 24 centuries include 4 double century knocks as well." – This is definitely not encyclopedic language.
  • In the lead you use "not-out" and then in the table later, "not out": be consistent.
  • The first ODI result: "Lost." has a full-stop, but none of the others do.
  • The "No." column and the date column disagree on the ordering for his Test centuries: this can't be right.
  • Some clarification is needed on the "match number" column: is this the number of the Test/ODI, the number of Tests/ODIs he had played to that point, or the number of Test & ODIs he had played to that point, or something else?
  • Is the "No." column really the best to define as the row scope? Harrias talk 12:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've had another look through after the work by Bencherlite, and the prose is vastly improved. I still have some concerns in the table with the inclusion of the "match number" I still think this is not sufficiently explained in the key. A minor point is that the key lists "S.R." while the table has "S/R". Harrias talk 15:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NB I've been asked by the nominator to have a go at copy-editing the prose. I'm happy to give it a go but will be unable to do so, in reality, until Monday at the earliest, in case this makes any difference to the FLC directors looking at the nominations this weekend. BencherliteTalk 17:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very decent of you. ZiaKhan's prompt attempts to address all the comments thus far and your offer go a long way to allowing enough latitude in the timings for you to give the copyedit a bit of a go. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. ZiaKhan 18:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a look at the prose and tried not to make it worse. What do people think now? I found the tense choice slightly awkward sometimes - he's still active to greater or lesser extent, and may or may not be retired from international cricket depending on what day of the week it is and whether the selectors have had tea or coffee for breakfast, so I've stuck with present rather than past tense in general. BencherliteTalk 23:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. ZiaKhan 22:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Note 1: "The match was involuntarily forfeited under the Law 21 of the Laws of cricket." Remove first "the" and decapitalize "Laws"? Giants2008 (Talk) 20:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done; I just checked the lead, not further down (my bad). I've also removed the "|link=off" from the date template as it's no longer needed, and fixed a couple of the sortorder numbers. BencherliteTalk 20:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support with the disclaimer that I helped with the prose, as noted. Everything else now looks FL-worthy. BencherliteTalk 23:08, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you Bencherlite. I expect support from the FL directors, SpacemanSpiff and Harrias as the concerns have been addressed. ZiaKhan 17:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The directors, myself included, don't tend to support too many lists since we're the ones who have to close FLCs, and there's a conflict if we support and promote at the same time. Also, don't automatically assume that people must support if their concerns are addressed, You have to wait for them to declare support, as Harrias did, and there's no obligation for any reviewer to support at any time. It's their choice. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your advice. Keep me giuding. Thank you once again. ZiaKhan 20:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

  • "as one of the finest middle order batsmen Pakistan has produced.." I think this should be in quotation marks as you are quoting what someone else has said. NapHit (talk) 10:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reworded to give more of a sense of the positives and negatives from that article without directly quoting. BencherliteTalk 11:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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