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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Chaminda Vaas[edit]

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Nominator(s): Chamal T•C 02:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing the cricket offensive on FLC, I'd like to nominate List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Chaminda Vaas for consideration. I've been taking my time with this, but I think the article meets the standards and is ready to be reviewed. This is my first FLC in more than two years, so please feel free to give it a thorough review. Chamal T•C 02:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Nothing raised my attention when I was reading the article. However I am not an expert in cricket. Ruslik_Zero 17:45, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • In "As a left arm fast bowler, he was accurate and particularly skilled in bowling both swing and reverse swing", no need for three refs; two of them from the same publisher.
  • Removed third ref.
  • Complete sentences in the key needs a period.
  • There are no complete sentences in the key, are there?
  • Fine. Include "Drawn" in the key, as it may not be obvious to someone who isn't familiar with cricket. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "ESPN Cricinfo" -> "ESPNcricinfo".
  • Done.
  • at ESPN CricketArchive?
  • Oops. Fixed.
  • Link at least the first occurrence of publishers in references.
  • Done.
  • Done. Stupid mistake. There doesn't seem to be a suitable link for The Nation though, so I've left it as it is. Chamal T•C 06:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Usually in these types of lists, we present information in the chronological order. In this case he made his ODI debut before his Test.
  • Normally I'd agree, but in this case I think the first fifer should take precedence over debut as that is the focus of the article after all. His first fifer was in Tests, and that's why I've placed Tests above ODIs in both the tables and lead. I think it would look strange to mention an ODI fifer in 2000 and then go way back to 1995 to talk about his first Test fifer.
  • I was talking about the lead. That's fine anyway since the pattern which is used in this list is same as other similar lists. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hyphens in refs. should be replaced by dashes.
  • Done. I think the rest used in compound modifiers are ok with MOS:HYPHEN.
  • Remove the "Cricket in Sri Lanka" template as it doesn't link to the page.
  • Done.
  • No need to repeat his full name in the image caption.
  • Done.
  • I don't think the No. column needs sortability. You can sort it using the Date column.
  • Done.
  • While sorting the date column in the descending order, entries for the same match doesn't sort correctly.
  • Fixed. This actually came up in a previous list I did. Should have looked out for it.
  • Secondary sort needed for wkts column.
  • What do you mean? It's currently sorted by number of wickets and then by runs conceded using a sort template.
  • It doesn't sort correctly. For instance, 7/71 should sort before 7/120 in descending order since the former is better and likewise 5/99 should sort before others while sorting the column by ascending order. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, you're right. I had used a wrong value in the sorting template. Should be fixed now. Chamal T•C 06:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the end of his Test career, Vaas had taken five-wicket hauls on 12 occasions, repetitive.
  • Reworded. How is it now?
Fine. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • He bowled 32.2 overs in his sixth fifer.
  • Indeed. Fixed.

—Vensatry (Ping me) 18:03, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, I think I've addressed the issues. Please let me know if there is anything else that I missed. Chamal T•C 04:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Zia Khan 15:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Can you please change the caption since this is already covered in the prose?
  • This fact is already mentioned in the lead, you can say that "Vaas took four of his Test five-wicket hauls against New Zealand" or "Vaas took four of his five-wicket hauls at the SSC" or something else. Zia Khan
  • Yes, but what is the reason you want me to do that? AFAIK it doesn't say in the MOS or any other guideline that a fact already present in the article should not be used, or that an entirely new fact should be introduced in the caption. I believe the current caption satisfies the conditions in WP:CAPTION and focuses on one of the most notable points in the article. Even this FL you gave below as an example to another point uses a caption exactly like this one, as do a number of others including 1, 2 and 3. Chamal T•C 11:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • He repeated the feat in New Zealand's second innings,... → He repeated the feat in the second innings of the match,...?
  • Second innings of the match would be New Zealand's first innings and not New Zealand's second (SL batted first), so that would be incorrect. Also I think it may be confusing to a non-cricket-savvy reader if it just said fourth innings straight away, so I thought it's best to be clear and wrote it as "New Zealand's second innings".
  • It is also the second-best bowling performance.... could you mention who is at first place?
  • Done.
  • Vaas made his ODI debut in February 1994,... against which team?
  • Mentioned India in the sentence.
  • ...to get a five-wicket haul in that format. → the format?
  • Done.
  • Note should come after the punctuation.
  • Fixed.
  • I think you should use the symbols according to the key's order (†‡*).
  • You're right. Done.
  • In the 2nd note, it would be better if you mention the names of the 3 bowlers.
  • Done.
  • You may fix the dashes according to User:GregU/dashes.js.
  • I would place the General refs before the specific, and it should be Chaminda Vaas not WPUJC Vaas.
  • Done.

Zia Khan 07:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I think I have addressed your concerns. Also, I think the dashes currently used in the article are not against MOS:DASH? Chamal T•C 08:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, they're fine, but want if you could use simply (–) instead of (&ndash). Zia Khan 09:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – meets the standards. Zia Khan 15:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Harrias talk
  • Per MOS:NUM, when comparing two numbers they should be in the same format, so "with 12 in Tests and four in One Day Internationals" should be either 12 and 4 or twelve and four.
  • Cricinfo and CricketArchive both list him as a fast-medium, and given that has a distinct meaning from fast bowler, I would change "As a left arm fast bowler, he was accurate.." to "As a left-arm fast-medium bowler, he was accurate.."
  • Minor point, but I would prefer a comma the number in "..accumulated 1155 Test wickets.." (making it 1,155) but it's only a personal preference really, so I'll leave it up to you.
  • "..the highest number of wickets he had taken in a single match." Should be "has" not "had".
  • Support All in all, a very well written list, and my points above are so minor that I'm happy to support the article even before the requested tweaks are made. Harrias talk 11:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the review and support. I have made the changes you suggested. Chamal T•C 11:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Probably missed this on many (including my own), but "Less than 40 bowlers .." should be "Fewer than 40...."!
  • "arm fast-medium bowler, he was accurate and particularly skilled in bowling " bowler... bowling.... repetitive.
  • " a few months later " -> seven months.
  • "and leading " -> "and led".
  • "He had taken another" ->"He took another..." or "He went on to take another..."
  • Actually those sentences are talking about the fifer he took in the 1st innings (which happened earlier), while his best figures (which are dicussed earlier but happened later) were in the 3rd innings. That's why I used "had taken". Chamal T•C 15:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "by number of Test five-wicket hauls" -> "by the number..."
  • "but was unable to get a five-wicket haul for several years. His first was in October 2000" -> "but did take a five-wicket haul until October 2000..."
  • Find a suitable link for "bowling figures".
  • "after Muralitharan's 77" link "Muralitharan's 77", not just hte 77.
  • "Result" in the key doesn't need a full stop.
  • Not sure why you have the ground before the opposition in the tables? The ground seems less significant to me.
  • I arranged the table like that because that's the format used in all the other lists on fifers. If I had to guess I'd say this is because some bowlers seem to have performed very successfully at one particular ground. To be honest I don't have a preference other than doing it for consistency, so I don't have a problem if you want me to change it. Shall I? Chamal T•C 15:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is The Nation and where is it published?
  • Similarly, for common names like Daily News, worth telling the reader where it's published.
  • Check for en-dash violation (e.g. ref 18 title should have "2000–01", not "2000-01")

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've fixed some of the problems and responded to two more. Will fix the others soon. Chamal T•C 15:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I've done all the fixes now. Chamal T•C 08:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Note 1 has too much punctuation in the first sentence. Try removing the period after "guessing". Giants2008 (Talk) 21:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. I tried to think of a way to reword it, but all my ideas make the note even longer. If you have a suggestion, please let me know. Chamal T•C 03:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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