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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of international goals scored by Andriy Shevchenko[edit]

List of international goals scored by Andriy Shevchenko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is the third international goals list that I am looking to become featured. Although I do not support any of the clubs he played at, Shevchenko is one of my favorite players to watch from the 2000s. I have expanded the sources and the prose, and I am looking for whatever details I need for it to become featured considering it already passes WP:FL?. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Kosack (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Kosack
  • I'm not sure association footballer really works, it should either be association football player or just professional footballer.
  • The lead is a bit light on info, and there is only 1074b of prose. With 48 goals to his name, there must be some notable goals worthy of inclusion?
  • I don't know if it's perhaps a mobile issue, but the date column doesn't sort correctly for me.
  • Why aren't the score columns sortable?
  • eu-football.info has been called into question in previous FLCs, so I'd prepare a backup source if possible for those.
  • AFS Enterprises is the publisher of 11v11.com.

A rough pass over to pick out the most obvious issues I could see to get started. Kosack (talk) 14:12, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A few more points from the new additions and a couple I didn't spot the first time

  • "He is the Ukraine national team's all-time top goalscorer with 48 goals in 111 appearances, also making him the second most capped Ukrainian international behind Anatoliy Tymoshchuk (144)", source for any of this?
  • "against Slovenia, Shevchenko scored", the subject hasn't changed from the first sentence so I would use he rather than Shevchenko again here.
  • "leaving Ukraine to lose on aggregate 2–3", I'm not overly convinced of the wording here. Perhaps, "with Ukraine losing 3-2 on aggregate"?
  • Link aggregate to Aggregate score.
  • "captained the side to a second place finish behind Poland", source?
  • "During 2006 FIFA World Cup qualification, Ukraine topped their qualifying group stage", can drop the second mention of qualifying here as it's already implied by the opening, same in the previous sentence also. Also stage is unnecessary I would say, they topped their group, not the stage.
  • "automatically advancing them directly to the main competition in Germany and their first World Cup in history as an independent nation", this sentence seems a bit long winded.
  • "Shevchenko captained the side to a penalty shoot-out victory against Switzerland", source?
  • "but losing to eventual champions Italy in the quarter-finals", this run on doesn't really work grammatically
  • "He decided to retire from international football after the final match in the group stage against England", source doesn't really support his decision to retire.
  • Generally, digits below ten should be written as words rather than digits, so 7th > seventh, scored 9 goals > scored nine goals etc.
  • There seems to be an unusual mix of scoreline formatting here, for example you have "in a 1–2 loss" and "with a 1–0 loss for Ukraine". It's generally accepted to say "in a 2-1" loss, irregardless of home and away status in European football.
  • I would say the actual countries don't need linking in the table, per WP:OVERLINK.
  • There are three BBC refs listed, one uses BBC Sport and the other two just BBC. Try to maintain one style for consistency. Kosack (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There still appears to be no ref for Tymoshchuk's inclusion. The goals by year table needs scope rows also. Kosack (talk) 07:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @KingSkyLord: Only minor changes left for my support here, any advance on these? Kosack (talk) 12:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @KingSkyLord: Kosack left this note more than three weeks ago, any chance you can respond? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • @The Rambling Man: Yes, I am currently busy at the moment. I will respond to it as soon as tomorrow. I have been very busy for the past month. If you want to finish some of it up, you can. However, I promise to complete it all by the end of the day tomorrow! KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 23:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • @KingSkyLord: no problem. I won't be editing the list but I just wanted to know if the nomination was active. After you've made your updates, I'll review the list tomorrow. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • @The Rambling Man and Kosack: Alright. I've finished all of it. You both can go check now. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • @KingSkyLord: eu.football.info has failed to pass several FLCs in the past, including my own, as there are no obvious signs of reliability. Is there another source available? Kosack (talk) 07:35, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                • @Kosack: Is National-Football-Teams good? I found it at the bottom of Tymoshchuk's article. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                  • I think NFT is more solid and is widely used on Wiki so I'm much happier with that in place. Happy to support now. Kosack (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comment by ChrisTheDude
  • Agree the lead is short and could do with being beefed up
  • 2nd should be written as second
  • "a UEFA Euro 2012 group stage match against Sweden, which they would win 2–1" - unclear which team won
  • "He decided to retire from international football after their final match" => again, clarify who "they" are
  • "It ended with a 1–0 loss for the Ukraine" => "It ended with a 1–0 loss for Ukraine"
  • I also can't make the date column sort correctly (or indeed at all)
  • Locations (stadia, cities) which appear more than once should be linked each time, because if you re-sort the table based on another field, the linked listing may not be the first.
  • Caption of the second image is not a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
  • The refs to UEFA.com don't seem to support the relevant info. For example, ref 42 just goes to a page listing the reults of all games in Euro 2012 and doesn't even mention Shevchenko
  • Think that's it from me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KingSkyLord:, it's been a month since I commented above and I can't see that the points have been tackled, are you still working on this one.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Yes. I am just very busy at the moment since summer ended. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made some changes, can you @ChrisTheDude: and @Kosack: please revisit and update your comments? Thanks -Cheetah (talk) 06:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good work so far. My remaining comments would be that the lead still looks very "thin" at just 1075 characters (far too short for DYK), and some of the rows are referenced to UEFA.com pages which don't support the relevant information (e.g. the final two goals are referenced to a page which simply lists all the final scores from Euro 2012 and therefore doesn't confirm the date, the stadium, or for that matter the fact that Shevchenko scored the goals.....) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude: I finally finished the prose. What do you think? If there are minor edits which can be done, you can do them and just pass it. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 17:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass[edit]

Doing now Aza24 (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Refs 3 and 4 missing authors
  • Ref 5 missing author and date (scroll to the bottom)
  • Refs 1–5 missing retrieval dates
  • If you're going to link RSSSF the you should link BBC sport and UEFA – doesn't look like the rest of publishers/works/websites have WP pages
  • Reliability is fine, statistical information from statistical websites. Aza24 (talk) 02:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Courtesy ping for @KingSkyLord: in case they have missed these comments. Aza24 (talk) 07:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Aza24, I think I fixed your concerns. Please take another look. Thanks! Cheetah (talk) 05:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Looks good, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 08:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I gave the lead a copy edit and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ~ HAL333 19:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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