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The list was promoted by Giants2008 01:21, 21 September 2015 [1].

List of international goals scored by Bobby Charlton[edit]

List of international goals scored by Bobby Charlton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 16:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Modelled off the similar list for Wayne Rooney which looks as though it will be a FL in the next few days, this does have a few minor formatting variations. Charlton is still England's leading goal scorer, though Rooney looks like taking that record soon. As always, throw whatever you've got at me! Harrias talk 16:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments nice piece of work, I made a tweak or two, but have the following comments:
  • I avoid SHOUTING in the refs.
  • "of international football, scoring at a rate of a-goal-a-game, culminating with his first hat-trick in international football" repetitive use of "international football" in this sentence.
  • "international hat-tricks, in addition to the one" would use a semi-colon here.
  • Tehelné Pole redirects to a neighbourhood in Bratislava rather than a stadium, perhaps pipe the section which discusses the football stadium?

Otherwise nothing to worry me unduly. Eyes down for the French equivalent, coming to an FLC near you soon! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, all done I think! Harrias talk 17:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*"...Ballon d'Or winner as world football's player of the year...", as far as I'm aware the Ballon d'Or was a strictly European accolade. Perhaps rephrase to 'Europe's footballer of the year'?
  • Quite right. Got myself confused with how I read one of the articles about him. Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • goalscorer is not hypenated
  • Someone else fixed this, thanks! Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 3, publisher is 'Herald & Times Group'
  • Tricky one this. The Herald & Times Group are the publishers now, and as an online source, I guess that works. However, when the article was originally published, the publisher was Scottish Television, as listed. Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publisher for The Times? (This is for consistency purposes, you could just add it for Ref 4 -- it doesn't have to be added for all the Times sources. Or you just remove the publishers in Ref 2 and 3...)
  • Again, tricky. Prior to 1967, The Times didn't have a "parent company" publisher, it was owned by the Astor family. In 1967, "Times Newspapers Ltd" was formed, so I'm not over sure the best way to approach it. Maybe, as you suggest, simply by removing all the publishers? Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see, I'd remove the publishers in that case, locations of the publications are sufficient. Lemonade51 (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've removed them from the news sources. Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Times link on Ref 6 and 7 (pedantic, I know!)
  • Someone else fixed this, thanks! Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No dead or dabs. Lemonade51 (talk) 17:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemonade51: Thanks for your comments, I (or others) have addressed most, though the publisher issue is a little tricky: do you think it's best just to remove them all? Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on style and structure. Nice work. Lemonade51 (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Mattythewhite (talk) 21:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Mattythewhite
  • "He is generally regarded as one of the best midfielders of all-time": this claim isn't supported by the ref given.
  • No, and I can't find where it specifically came from. I've added a new reference though. Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few sentences in the lead are unreferenced.
  • I think the list would look better if rows for goals from the same match were separate, like at the Rooney list.

I see Harrias is away for another week... will this nomination be left open long enough for them to respond to the outstanding comments? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattythewhite: Thanks for your thoughtfulness; I responded to each of your comments. Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He is England's second all-time goalscorer, having scored 49 times for his country": needs an updated ref in light of Rooney breaking the record.
  • Added a brilliant Guardian piece I found on it. Harrias talk 18:22, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 10 could be used, but we could do with a better source than the Daily Mail.
  • You could add a "Goals by competition" table, like the Rooney and Henry lists now have. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a similar table, although I've also had to add a note to explain why the numbers don't add up! Harrias talk 18:22, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note the list ought to note that Rooney is now number one, and when he overtook Charlton's record. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Harrias talk 08:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "with his first hat-trick in international football" does not seem to be referenced
  • Added ref at the end of the sentence. Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "final international goal " should mention month/year
  • "successful 1966 FIFA World Cup campaign" I would prefer to have this be more explicit about ENG winning the title
  • "Bloomsbury Publishing plc" shouldn't the latter be capitalized?
  • ref 16 and 45 are missing dates
  • They are not news sources, they don't have dates. Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand "The Times (55408)" notation
  • The number in brackets is the issue number, it's quite common when referencing The Times, and is part of what they request for citations. Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • can't really check much of the refs though
  • more this to notes: England score listed first, score column indicates score after each Charlton goal.
  • I think it is important to make it obvious and clear, rather than hiding it away in the notes. Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I am missing something, aren't these goals the pinnacle of his career? I think you could expand on this sentence and say one goal in the group stage, and both of goals in the 2-1 semifinal win. Nergaal (talk) 23:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Nergaal: Ahh, I see what you mean. Added a bit more in now. Harrias talk 13:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nergaal (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Nergaal: Thanks for your comments, I think I have addressed each of them! Harrias talk 19:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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