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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:38, 19 January 2011 [1].

List of unreleased Britney Spears songs[edit]

List of unreleased Britney Spears songs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Xwomanizerx (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria and, although shorter and less elaborate, resembles List of unreleased Michael Jackson material. Thanks, Xwomanizerx (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular talk 21:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Done.
  • In the caption to the lead image, simply "Spears..." would read better.
  • Done.
  • "BMI" and "ASCAP" are never linked in the references section.
  • Done.
  • Done.
  • When I click on the citations for the book references, the link to the book reference doesn't work. Do you know why?
  • Little mistake in the references section. Fixed it.
  • The coloring system with the key can be confusing with some songs satisfying multiple conditions. Can you think of any better way to relay this information?
  • I don't think there's a better way, since most of the songs are registered in multiple bodies. I initially didn't want to use the coloring system, but an editor noted in the peer review that it would move the article closer to comprehensive.
  • Per Afkatk, I just don't think the current setup is acceptable. I'll inquire with some people to see if there is a workaround for this. Jujutacular talk 17:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jujutacular talk 05:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Looks good to me now. Jujutacular talk 21:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - You define some items with multiple symbols this conflicts with whats presented in the key. Abroad, Downtown, Guilty, My Big Secret, Take the Bait, Welcome to Me and Wonderland have a symbol yet no colour, once again conflicts with the key. "Several Spears's songs have been leaked..." I'm sure it should be "Several of Spears' songs". Afro (Talk) 11:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Michael Jackson list the first category only has a key. Should I add a colour?
  • You define it with a colour in the key it only makes sense to add the colour in the cell. Ref 28 has no publisher. Afro (Talk) 10:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a colour and the publisher.
  • Support - I'll support I have no issues with the list at its current state. Afro (Talk) 14:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this list should have for each song a mention of when the song was originally composed, or at least some estimate. Nergaal (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • An estimate? Without sources?
  • All the information provided should be sourced. Right now, some of those songs have nothing provided about them other than a name. I don't think a list of names without any context provided about the entries should be featured. Nergaal (talk) 08:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, some of the songs have little information, but this is clearly because they're unreleased and therefore are rarely discussed by Spears or the producers. I actually think the list looks good even with the writers only. And also, less than half of the songs don't have any information on the notes box. Xwomanizerx (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is 17 with notes, 17 without any. Nergaal (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • MJ's list also has many boxes empty, but of course he has more coverage because of his longetivity and recognition. Xwomanizerx (talk) 19:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
  • Please force the width of the writers column, as in Google Chrome the names are squashed quite a bit
  • Done.
  • Refs should be center-aligned. Could you also spell out the header in full?
  • Done.

Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments A few more sorry, mainly with style

  • Writers' names should be sorted by surname, use {{sortname}}
  • Done.
  • I think it would be easier to include the copyright registration in the notes, rather than having three more notes. Such a long key is confusing, and readers have to navigate from key to item frequently
  • Wouldn't that completely invalidate the concept of the keys though?
  • I meant only converting the United States Copyright Office key info into notes. That would nearly halve the key, making it much easier to navigate. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
  • Could you not reference the notes, rather than having an extra column? This would also mean readers know which citation sources what info.
  • Do you mean adding the reference next to the note?
  • Done.

Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, and refs 41 + 42 (Hughes + Smith) need page numbers. Adabow (talkcontribs) 04:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
  • Notes that are not full sentences should not end in full stops
  • Done.
  • "Failed to make Britney album" – is the word 'album' not redundant? Also link albums in the actual list
  • Done.
  • Spears's → Spears'
  • Done.
  • Can you sort unknown writers to the bottom, please?
  • What do you mean?
Add <span style="display:none">ZZZ</span> before "Unknown", and the cells will sort by ZZZ when the table is sorted by writer. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.

Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Great list! Future lists should use this as a guide. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
REplace the normal dasehs in the reference titles and the article, with en-dases, whereever applicable. Also, regarding the picture, since it is not an infobox image, you need to have a pic of Brit which looks towards the article, not away from it. And I do agree with Nergaal that some sort of info needs to be there for those songs with just a name. — Legolas (talk2me) 04:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • All done.

Support Great work, can surely be a template for any new "Unreleased song" lists. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support The list now looks good. Novice7 | Talk 16:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "She is known to have written" - why not just "She has written..."?
  • Done.
  • Maybe worth understanding what "official release" means, especially if this is going to be a template for future FLs.
  • See below.
  • Ok, so you explain it, but only a couple of sentences later. Perhaps rejig the lead so I know straight away what an "unofficial" song is.
  • Done.
  • "had been scheduled, at one point, " any need for "at one point"?
  • Done.
  • "by established artists" any real need for "established"?
  • Done.
  • I would explain the context of BoA (I'd never heard of her) so something like "Korean singer BoA"?
  • Shouldn't I explain the context of every other singer in the lead then? I don't think I should add it solely because you don't know her. She's pretty well-known.
  • No, I've never hear of her so just adding "Korean singer" in front of BoA shouldn't be a major trauma. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
  • Not sure how useful sorting by Writer is, especially if equal writing credit is given in the case of multiple writers.
  • In my opinion it looks better than not sorting the writers at all.
  • The titles column too?
  • Done.
  • "Leaked on July 29, 2010.[5]" seems to be only note with a full stop.
  • Done.
  • "Steve Anderson" (in Grow) is a dab link.
  • Done.
  • If the table is sortable then every linkable item needs linking every time (e.g. Blackout).
  • Done.
  • Done.
  • How is this not comprehensive? It includes every unreleased Spears song that has been noted by a third party.
  • Every song has at least a source. If you are referring to the songs that are left out, it's clearly because I didn't find any information by reliable sources on them after a extensive research.
  • I'm not doubting that each song in this list has sources, I'm just asking how you can be sure that you've got every single one of her "unreleased" songs. There's no "master list"? That's what I'm on about. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here and here are the BMI and ASCAP lists with all of Spears registered songs. If the song listed has not been included in any of her releases, it's unreleased. There's also exceptions, with "Telephone" for example, which received attention from the media.

Well that's just it, if there are exceptions to the two search results you provided then how can one be sure you have every single unreleased song? As Adabow suggested, this could be a {{dynamic list}} which wouldn't need to be utterly comprehensive, just as comprehensive as possible. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but I don't understand what you mean by dynamic or incomplete list.
A dynamic list is one that will never be complete, and therefore will contain only entries and information for which there is a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Incomplete lists#Incomplete lists for more information. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I just added it.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Quick comments –

  • Missing "were" in "or confirmed by Spears herself."?
  • Done.
  • The references at the bottom should be in alphabetical order (by author).
  • Done.

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 03:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The list looks much better than the last time I took a look at it. A couple of issues though: I would prefer unknown to be in italics and/or small font; and Failed to make Britney[ sounds awkward. I would prefer to rephrase these to sould more natural, and to give (in paranthesis) the year such albums were released (this would give an idea when was the song composed). Nergaal (talk) 18:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. The unknown writers are done in italics, let me know if you want them to be in small font.


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