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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:39, 4 November 2010 [1].

Mariah Carey singles discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets all FLC criteria. Thanks to all who participate :)! PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 09:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose. Fix these issues and I'll gladly support:
  • Remove Danish and Japanese certifications for "All I Want for Christmas Is You" (these countries are not in the chart table). Done
  • Remove Belgian certification for "When You Believe" (this country is not in the chart table). Done
  • "Hero" is Silver in France, not Gold. Done
  • Add "I Know What You Want" certifications. Done
  • "All I Want for Christmas Is You" digital single is certified Gold only in the US (I know it has sold 1,586,000 copies in digital downloads, but it wasn't certified Platinum yet). The 2x Platinum certification is for a ring tone and shouldn't be included here. I went through various disographies and they don't include ring tones certifications, only physical/digital sales certifications. Done
  • "We Belong Together" is Gold in New Zealand, not Platinum. Done
  • The US chart link doesn't lead directly to US chart. Done
  • The US R&B chart link doesn't lead directly to US R&B chart. Done
  • No source for "Against All Odds" peak in Australia. Done "I looked it up under West-life (Mariah Feat Westlife) and it appears the song didn't chart there."
  • No source for the UK pekas for: "The Roof", "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time", "I Stay in Love" and "Angels Cry". Done
  • If in Canada "Crybaby" charted as a double A-side with "Can't Take That Away", they should be treated as one (not twice #4 - as it is not true). Done
  • No source for "Boy (I Need You)", "I Know What You Want" and "It's Like That" in Canada. Done
  • The source says that "Bye Bye" peaked at #34, and not #23 in Canada. Done
  • The source says that "Obsessed" peaked at #15, and not #10 in Canada. Done
  • Canada: "I Don't Wanna Cry" peakd at #2, not #4. Change it and add RPM source. Done
  • Canada: "Endless Love" peakd at #6, not #14. Change it and add RPM source. Done
  • Since 1997 we have 2 sources for 2 different Canadian charts: RPM and Canadian Singles Chart (Allmusic source). Decide which source you want to use since 1997 (use only one chart). Here are the differances:
    • Honey - #1 (RPM), #2 (allmusic)
    • Butterfly - #22 (RPM), nc (allmusic)
    • My All - #30 (RPM), 12 (allmusic) [currently the peak in the table is #9, which is incorrect for both charts] In RPM, "My ALl" is #28 not #30
    • "When You Believe" - #20 (RPM), nc (allmusic)
    • "I Still Believe" - #21 (RPM), 9 (allmusic)
    • "Heartbreaker" - #5 (RPM), 1 (allmusic)
  • After that fix/remove RPM charts sources for songs which are taken from Allmusic. Done--Max24 (talk) 12:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi again :)
  • In Australia, "Against All Odds" (with Westlife) peaked at #52 and spent 6 weeks in the Top 100. Add this position and use as a source Australian Chart Book 1993–2005 by David Kent.
  • Add this source for "The Roof" position in the UK. It peaked at #96 in April 1998 and stayed for 9 weeks in the Top 200 Singles Chart (add this position).
  • US - according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "Without You" charted on the Billboard Hot 100 (the position for "Never Forget You" should be removed).
  • US - according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "Never Forget You" charted on the Billboard R&B chart (the position for "Without You" should be removed).
  • The source says that "All I Want for Christmas Is You" peaked in the US at #83, not 86.
  • Missing source for "Underneath the Stars" peak on the US R&B.
  • US - according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "My All" charted on the Billboard R&B chart (the position for "Breakdown" should be removed).
  • Missing source for "When You Believe" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • US - according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "Crybaby" charted on the Billboard Hot 100 (the position for "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" should be removed).
  • Missing source for "I Know What You Want" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "Endless Love" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "Every Time I Close My Eyes" peak in the US, US R&B and UK. I think this song shouldn't be included here at all. Mariah does only background vocals. On all charts the song is always listed as Babyface. There's no mention of Mariah. She's not even featured artist here.
  • Missing source for "What Would You Do" peak on the US R&B.
  • Missing source for "U Make Me Wanna" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "Lil' L.O.V.E." peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "Just Stand Up!" peak in the US and US R&B, and in all other countries.
  • Missing source for "My Love" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "So Lonely" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Missing source for "Everybody Hurts" peak in Canada, Switzerland and UK.
  • I don't understand REF number 11. There's an Allmusic link and later there are 9 singles listed. Why is that?--Max24 (talk) 08:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! Few comments on talk page :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 03:06, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going on 2-week vacations in 2 days, so let's hurry:

  • Australian source for "Against All Odds" is included in REF 13, but in the table which includes this song, there's REF 44, which does not say anything about it. Move the book source to REF 44.
  • Here's the link to "When You Believe" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Again - US - according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "Crybaby" charted on the Billboard Hot 100 (the position for "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" should be removed).
  • Here's the link to "U Make Me Wanna" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Here's the link to "Lil' L.O.V.E." peak on the US R&B.
  • Here's the link to "My Love" peak in the US and US R&B.
  • Here's the link to "So Lonely" peak on the US R&B.
  • Try to find a source for "What Would You Do" Damizza Presents: Shade Sheist, Nate Dogg & Mariah Carey.--Max24 (talk) 11:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Thanks Max, I looked for "When You Believe" under Whitney, but under her singles, don't know why it was under albums :s. Thanks for the help. For "What You Would Do"I looked under Damizza and Shade Shiest but its nowhere :s. Anyway, everything is finished, thank you :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again Nathan:
  • For the third time: according to the source (and Billboard rules), only "Crybaby" charted on the Billboard Hot 100 (the #28 position for "Can't Take That Away (Mariah's Theme)" should be removed).
  • The Allmusic source does not include Bubbling under Hot 100 for "Lil' L.O.V.E." so remove this source from REF 42.
  • Fix the Billboard to Billboard in all references.
  • Change RPM magazine to RPM in all references.
  • Change Allmusic to Allmusic in all references.
  • In all references only the first one should be linked. For example the word Allmusic or Billboard is linked in all references, and shoud be only in the first one. Check all other references.
  • Change the "Just Stand Up" New Zealand peak position link to this and rename the REF from Swisscharts.com. to charts.org.nz.--Max24 (talk) 07:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are one tough costumer. Complete! The reason Allmusic is like This is because Billboard is the publisher and Allmusic is the work. The work automatically for some reason always comes up italicized.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have fixed the US links. I just noticed one last thing. None of the Bubbling Under Hot 100 peaks is sourced. I couldn't find any source in the internet. Do you know any? I'm not saying we should remove the positions because I know all these songs charted there. I won't oppose because of that. Do you know any source?--Max24 (talk) 08:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. So honestly I don't. I can't find them in Billboard, or any other site. If you like I could remove it, they aren't significant. If not the I guess we can just leave them there.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Let's leave them there. I did 2 more fixes in the lead. Support. Max24 (talk) 08:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you --CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - Ref 3, 17, 19, 47 needs a language parameter. Afro (Talk) 13:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Question, I see in the certification column that the Swiss Music Charts are abbreviated CH which does confuse me slightly as a reader since its abbreviated SW in the top column, why is the abbreviation changed? Afro (Talk) 22:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. I changed them all to 3 letter abbreviations where applicable to make things easier :). I think its all fixed.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I'm gonna throw in my support I see no problem with it. Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. See my comments on main article talk page. Plus all that text at the start of the article is unnecessary - we can SEE which singles topped the charts in which territories, which years albums were released in etc. by looking at the information below. Why does that information need to be preceded by a wordy preamble? Nathan86 (talk) 05:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is necessary. This is the style and format done in all FL articlles. I'm sorry you don't approve, but its how its done.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:LEAD "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects.". Afro (Talk) 16:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much Afkatk! Your help and support is very much appreciated! :D--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The introduction to this article is not just a "summary of its most important aspects" but includes superfluous information that belongs in either the main Mariah Carey article or individual song/album articles (eg "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s."). Plus, at 3 paragraphs for an article of less that 2,000 charatcters it is MUCH longer than the "one or two paragraphs" suggested by WP:LEAD for articles under 15,000 characters.
In addition, i see no one has bothered to fix any of the issues I outlined on the main article talk page. Nathan86 (talk) 01:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As explained in WP:LEAD#Elements of the lead "The lead should establish significance, include mention of notable criticism or controversies, and be written in a way that makes readers want to know more." in WP:LEAD#Length "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs.". in my view there is no problem with the length of the lead. Afro (Talk) 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before, much of the introduction belongs on either song or album article pages... using the example I gave before, "The song was called "one of the most stunning debut releases ever by a pop recording artist," and is credited with inspiring the use of melisma throughout the 1990s." has nothing to do with her discography as a whole, but rather, the individual song.
Regarding the length; as you very correctly point out, "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." And as stated by WP:LEAD; articles with less than 15,000 characters should have "one or two" paragraph introductions. This article has less than 2,000; and a four-paragraph introduction is only suggested for articles containing more than 30,000 characters. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, the article is still missing promo releases, has promo singles incorrectly listed as commercial releases, has commercial releases listed as promo singles, has charting album cuts listed as promo releases, has guest appearances listed with Carey as main artist, and has singles listed as being lifted from albums that (in their standard international issue) do not contain those songs. Nathan86 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Everything looks good. Its well-written and sourced. Good job!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 10:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
  • "In 1992, she released an EP titled, MTV Unplugged." no comma after 'titled'
  • I can't see where ref 5 verifies that "All I Want for Christmas Is You" is "one of the best-selling singles by a non–Asian female".
  • What was her second debut at number one on the Hot 100?
  • "making her the artist with the most number one debuts in the charts history." - apostrophe needed in 'charts'

Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 03:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, I forgot: I am assuming that "Never Too Far" and "Don't Stop (Funkin' 4 Jamaica)" were released as a double A-side in some countries. Can you please note this somehow? Thanks, Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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