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Michael Jackson singles discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): TheWikiholic (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets FLC criteria. Any comment is very much welcomed. Thanks to all who participate :).— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment
  • There is a lot of unsourced content. Any single which did chart in any of the listed territories will need referencing to confirm that it existed..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Any single which did chart in any of the listed territories are referenced to confirm that it existed. For example, reference number 23 have all the information about each Jackson song that charted in the US. If you have not found any references to confirm that it existed, please let me know. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, my comment should have read "any single which did not chart". There are over 30 entries in the "Promotional or limited release" table which at present are unreferenced -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by RunningTiger123[edit]

Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* "In 1982 Jackson released..." → "In 1982, Jackson released..." (for consistency with similar sentences)
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Similarly, "In 1983 Jackson again..." → "In 1983, Jackson again..."
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a collaboration with Paul McCartney was released" → "a collaboration with Paul McCartney, was released"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "'Billie Jean', released as the second single, ..." – sentence fragment, needs to be reworded
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "collabortaed" → "collaborated"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in the United States ," → "in the United States,"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "including one number-one hit" → "...including number-one hit..."
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...which produced and performed by Jackson the theme for the film Free Willy" − sentence is unclear (missing a word?)
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "'Scream', a duet with Jackson's youngest sister Janet Jackson, 'Earth Song', 'They Don't Care About Us', and 'You Are Not Alone'" → "'Scream', a duet with Jackson's youngest sister Janet Jackson; 'Earth Song'; 'They Don't Care About Us'; and 'You Are Not Alone'" (note where commas become semicolons)
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and it sold over 1.2 million copies" → "and sold over 1.2 million copies"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "making it Jackson's one of the most successful single in the UK" → "making it one of Jackson's most successful singles in the UK"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sony renews its deal" → "Sony renewed its deal"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Footnotes b and c are generally unsourced – how do we know that a given single was not released in the United States or many overseas territories? And what does "many overseas territories" mean?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 7 is attributed to "George", but there is no full citation anywhere
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similar issue for reference 12, attributed to "Barrow"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This (and the previous note) are still not fixed; there are no full citations for George or Barrow. Readers have no way to identify these sources. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 02:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 45 has an improperly formatted link
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 04:02, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In general, the citation format is wildly inconsistent. Some citations use "Last, First" for author names while others use "First Last"; some authors aren't even correct (i.e., "News, A. B. C." in reference 22); some citations omit website names; and so on. Unless I specifically noted it above, it's not significant enough for me to oppose the nomination, but I would highly suggest revising the citations for consistency if you have time.

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up note (mainly for other reviewers): While I noticed citation issues, I didn't have time for a full source review – I just focused on the most glaring issues in formatting for the current sourcing. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed the citation formats and added website names and authors' names where it was missing. Please have a look now. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude[edit]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
*In the infobox, having the two entries as "Singles" and "Other singles" looks odd
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 04:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the United States, Jackson had amassed" => "In the United States, Jackson amassed"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2012, Jackson was ranked fifth best selling singles artist in United Kingdom" => "In 2012, Jackson was ranked fifth best selling singles artist in the United Kingdom"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jackson continued to release singles through the 1970s" - "through the 1970s"??
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Both are certified Platinum [..] for sales in excess of 4 million and 2 million copies respectively" - platinum can't be awarded for both selling 2 million and 4 million, it can only be one or the other, surely?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 11:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""Billie Jean", released as the second single, which topped the charts in 13 countries including United States" => ""Billie Jean", released as the second single, topped the charts in 13 countries including United States"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The single sold more than six million copies in the United States[10] and over 1.4 million" => "The single sold more than 6 million copies in the United States[10] and over 1.4 million"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • " "Say Say Say" was released as the first single to McCartney's 1983 album Pipes of Peace" => " "Say Say Say" was released as the first single from McCartney's 1983 album Pipes of Peace"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album produced four top ten singles on the Billboard Hot 100, including one number-one hit "Black or White", "Remember the Time", "In the Closet" and "Will You Be There" which produced and performed by Jackson the theme for the film Free Willy." - this makes no sense. I think what you mean is "The album produced four top ten singles on the Billboard Hot 100, including one number-one hit "Black or White", as well as "Remember the Time", "In the Closet" and "Will You Be There", which was produced and performed by Jackson as the theme for the film Free Willy."
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "making it one of Jackson's most successful single in the UK" => "making it one of Jackson's most successful singles in the UK"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "sales of his previous work soared and Jackson became the first act to sell more than 1 million song downloads in the first week" - in the first week of what?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Don't Matter to Me" was released as by Drake featuring Michael Jackson, so shouldn't it be in the "as featured artist" table?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am assuming that "other appearances" refers to releases where Jackson was not credited on the record as either a main or featured artist (eg he just did background vocals)? if so, why are two remixes of his own songs, on which he was obviously credited) in there?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes b, c and g do not need full stops as they are not complete sentences
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "having been a non-single track in its initial appearance in Forever, Michael in 1975" => "having been a non-single track in its initial appearance on Forever, Michael in 1975"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On August 23, 2018, Sony admitted in court that the vocals on the three Casico songs were not performed by Jackson" - no explanation is given as to who or what "Casico" is/was
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's what I got on a first pass. I also echo the comment above that there are a lot of formatting issues with the refs -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:26, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
  • "American singer Michael Jackson released 67 of his songs as singles, including 10 as a featured artist" - infobox has 67 as lead artist and 10 as featured artist -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed.-- TheWikiholic (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis[edit]

Won't screw this up... won't screw this up...

  • "singles as lead artist, 10 as a featured" — and 10
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "singles Throughout the" — why is "Throughout" capitalised...?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "album Off the Wall (1979) spawned five" — I'm iffy on the usage of "spawned"... perhaps "contained" or something?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "released his sixth album Thriller" — comma after album
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with Paul McCartney and" → with McCartney (MOS:SURNAME)
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "album Bad (1987) produced" → album, Bad (1987), produced
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and "Will You Be There" which produced and performed by Jackson as the theme for the film Free Willy." — this bit doesn't make any sense to me...
Pamzeis The current sentences were made per the suggestion of the above reviewer.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "album, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I, a double album" — album, album; feels a bit repetitive

Pamzeis Do you have any suggestions to improve this?— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "deal for $250 million which" — comma after million?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps :) Pamzeis (talk) 03:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720[edit]

  • No prose concerns with the lede
  • Note a should have a citation
  • Image check: pass.
  • Source check: Version reviewed
    • All refs to website links should have access dates (eg missing in: ref 6, ref 71, ref 72)
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • All refs should have publisher information, if available (eg. ref 66)
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 75 is a deadline
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 84: Why is Michael Jackson wikilinked in the title? This is unnecessary.
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The refs should be consistent and either always Wikilink the publisher (ref 1 linking to ABC news) or never wikilink the publisher (ref 2 not linking Billboard)
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why is a bibliography only used for George and Barrow? Considering that they are only cited once in the references, maybe this information should be moved to the references section?
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Suggest archiving all the websites

Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 13:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Refs 40, 41, 44, 51, 54, 58, 60, 75, 78, 83, 96, 104, 106, need an access date
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 41 should have a publication date
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 22, 29 (the word Top), 33 (second bullet point), 35 (the last bullet point), 44 should not be in all caps per MOS:ALLCAPS
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 32s (the first bullet point), 82, 84, should have a page number
  • Ref 40: The title needs to be fixed
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 57 should include the ISBN number
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @TheWikiholic: I took another look at the references and here are some thoughts. Version reviewed:

Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 29: Website should be included in the ref
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 35: What makes everyHit a high-quality source? Where does it get its information from?
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 35: What makes Zobbel a high-quality source? The website seems to be named "Chart Log UK"
Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 40: Should be formatted similarly to the same website in Ref 35
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 54: Missing date the article was published, author
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 59: Billboard should be wikilinked since it is linked in every previous reference.
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to pause there, but ask that the FLC nominator check the rest of the references to ensure that everything that should be wikilinked is, and that all the references have the required information.

Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 14:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TheWikiholic: to ping another user, you can use the {{re}} template, like so: @Z1720:. --PresN 15:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing source review:

  • Ref 12: needs the author name
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Red 28, bullet 1 is a dead link
  • Ref 59 does not go to the correct page
Done. TheWikiholic (talk) 06:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 68 is a deadline.
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 77: Need the author name
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 79: Need to include the publisher (website name) in a different parameter
Fixed. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 79: What makes "directupload.net" a high quality source?
Fixed. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 80: Needs the author name
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 86: Remove wikilink for Michael Jackson
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 99: Change latimes.com to Los Angeles Times
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 102: needs a publisher
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 106: needs publisher date
Done. — TheWikiholic (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest archiving all websites
Z1720 Can you please help me to archive these as I don't know how to do it? .TheWikiholic (talk) 06:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TheWikiholic: Sorry for the late response on this. I ran IABot through the article which automatically archived the links. Let me know if you are ready for more comments. Z1720 (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing with this source review. Version reviewed for the comments below:

  • Ref 28: the publisher has been wikilinked in every iteration when possible, so all the RPM and Billboard publishers should have a wikilink.
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 29: What makes "top.france.free" a high-quality source?
  • Ref 31: Is the publisher Dutch Top 40 or top40.nl? This should be standardised.
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 32, bullet 1: Needs page numbers
  • Ref 33, bullet 1: Same as above
  • Ref 41: Wikilink UPI to [[United Press International]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 08:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 81: Publisher information is missing
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 82: What makes this a high-quality source? This seems to be a self-publishing publisher
Fixed. TheWikiholic (talk) 15:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 86: The title format should be consistent with previous refs of the same website.
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 87: How/where was this accessed? Either needs a website or a page number
Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my thoughts. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 22:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this nomination has been up since April, with lots of comments, but no final verdicts. @RunningTiger123, ChrisTheDude, Pamzeis, and Z1720: are any of you willing to support/oppose? --PresN 19:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: - apologies, I forgot about this one. I will try and find the time to take another look -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, this has been sitting here for way too long, and I'm not going to try to ping reviewers back again. I've reviewed it myself, and I'm going to go ahead and promote. --PresN 20:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.
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