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The list was promoted by Giants2008 17:12, 9 October 2012 [1].

Nature reserves in the North Norfolk Coast Site of Special Scientific Interest[edit]

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Nominator(s): Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am writing a possible future FT on the North Norfolk Coast Site of Special Scientific Interest, including separate articles on the larger nature reserves it contains. Not all the reserves have sufficient information available to reach FA/GA, so this is a summary of the basic information to ensure that even the 5-ha patches appear somewhere in the topic. I've spent some time on the overview, so I hope the article as a whole makes sense, thanks in advance for your comments, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • According to WP:LEDE, this article's lede should have "two or three paragraphs" for the lede. I only see one.
  • Add alt text to all images per WP:ALT
  • "£" clarify that is the UK pound, with a link, also
  • That's not normal practice where it is clear what the currency is. There is a bucketful of US-based featured content where the currency is just $. Linked anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per MOS:HEAD, headings generally do not start with articles ('the', 'a(n)'). So, please remove "the" in "The reserves"
  • Done, although I actually think "The reserves" reads better. Still, rules is rules... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand this. I don't know what the function of the "tl
  • Support looks good. Well done! TBrandley 19:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:27, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Perhaps worth noting that this is Norfolk in England, not Norfolk in the US (or anywhere else which may confuse a large number of our international readers).
  • "North Norfolk Coast SSSI shown within Norfolk" (perhaps add "in red" after shown here).
  • Any reason why you use metric before Imperial units in this BritEng article?
  • It's primarily a scientific article, so if I had the choice I'd only use metric. Unlike the US, we have a mixture of units anyway. Food, paint and petrol are sold in metric, but our roads have miles and we can buy milk in pints or litres. Kids are taught metric in schools, not imperial. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Norfolk Coast SSSI " do you mean "The North Norfolk Coast SSSI"?
  • What's the strategy for naming species and capitalisation? E.g. you have "Eurasian Bitterns" but "natterjack toads"...
  • Birds have an agreed and Wikipedia-accepted convention that species are capitalised. Practice varies elsewhere - butterflies often capped, plants always lc, but there is no agreed full capitalisation policy for any non-avian group, so for consistency I've lower-cased all the non-bird species (FWIW, my last two FAs followed this practice too). Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spell out RSPB before using the abbreviation (and even link it?)
  • I've expanded all abbreviations except SSSI
  • What's an NWT?
  • "Also an NNR..." the list is sortable so don't assume this will come after another mention of NNR.

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Does the body of water the area borders have any other name than the North Sea? (sometimes lines of coast have specific names) If it does, it would be nice with a name and link, otherwise just leave it.
  • No, there's no large bay or anything, so it's just the North Sea
  • The article describes the SSSI very nicely, with the amount of detail I would expect, especially concerning the natural aspects. My one concern is that the list does not discuss the reserves as such, nor does it introduce the list as such. Of course start off with a brief summary of the area as a whole, but then the lead needs to summarize the reserves, rather than the area. For instance, how many reserves are there? how large an area do they cover in total? do the reserves hold a higher degree of protection than the rest of the site? why was a tenth reserve added in 1999? why are they managed by different organizations?
  • Good point, I've added a bit to the second paragraph of the lead, and written a three-sentence introduction to the list section. The area is straightforward, and so is the protection (no extra legal difference, but obviously ownership gives control). The pattern of ownership is typical British randomness, land becomes available, somebody buys it or enters into a management agreement, and who it is depends on the circumstances. For example, the Cley Marshes entry points out that land has become available which would link the two existing NWT reserves, and it would be astonishing if any other conservation body bid for it, whereas the RSPB would obviously be interested if the wildfowling marshes adjoining Titchwell became available. The 1999 reserve was created then because that's when its owner decided to donate it, it's as simple as that.
  • As usual I'm just awestruck at how the British manage organize their way in the most complex way feasable, and not instead of a one-organization-manages-all-preserved-areas that I'm used to from across the North Sea. Arsenikk (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arsenikk (talk) 18:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the review and useful comments. I hope the changes are adequate, I don't want to go into detail on the individual reserves, siince they have their own articles (including two FAs so far) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your support, comments made a real improvement to the article Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "The SSSI is a long, narrow strip of coastal land that starts between Old Hunstanton and Holme-next-the-Sea, and runs east for about 43 km (27 mi) to Kelling." I think the second use of and should be changed to which
  • If that's the only change to the sentence you are proposing, I don't think it's actually grammatical that starts... which. Have I misunderstood? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may be right actually, having read the sentence a number of times. Scrap this suggestion NapHit (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "starting in 1912 when Charles Rothschild bought Blakeney Point and donated it to the National Trust which has managed it since." should be a comma after Trust
  • refs that are PDFs need to include the parameter
  • Quick comment – Scanned the references for formatting/reliability issues, and the only minor things I saw were an improper hyphen in the publisher of ref 33 (should be an en dash instead) and the need for a space before the access date of ref 40. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:12, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for that, I missed the hyphen because it wasn't in a page range, both done now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Comments - Overall, very nice. A few thoughts:[reply]

  • "form on sheltered parts of the coast, in the lee of islands or behind spits" Is this a series of three, or are the last two examples of the first?
  • "Grassland is represented by grazing pasture" Is this grazed by wildlife or livestock?
  • "A 2005 survey at six North Norfolk coastal sites" Is there any way to get an update on this, or was it a one-off survey?
  • "who made overnight stays in the area in 1999" Again, any way to update this? It's over a decade out of date...
  • As above, I thought it better to put in old data than nothing at all, but these surveys are few and far between. I haven't been able to find anything more recent Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is a "bird hide"? I'm assuming it's an area of protective cover, but haven't heard this term before.

Once these are addressed, I think I'll be happy to support. Dana boomer (talk) 16:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ah, I was completely wrong! I thought it was someplace the birds hid from people, not where people hid from birds :) Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for review and useful comments Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for the responses. Too bad that there aren't any more recent surveys...but I agree that information that is a bit out of date is better than no information at all. Changed to support. Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for support. Believe me, birds can hide very well without help! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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