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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 07:06, 21 August 2008 [1].

New York Yankees seasons[edit]

My first FLC nomination, this list borrows elements from current baseball team season FLs, and I've made some further improvements. It's been through a peer review, where the reviewer seemed impressed with it. I believe this meets the criteris and will make any necessary changes. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might I suggest a name change to "List of New York Yankees seasons"? --haha169 (talk) 18:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about this. All sports team season FLs are titled this way. I want to see if other reviewers agree with you; if they do, I will happily rename it. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved Comments from SRX
  • Comments
    • I agree with Haha, this is a list of their seasons not a article about their seasons. This should probably be discussed with the Baseball project.
    • I feel the note about the "key" should be placed in the "Year by year" section.
    • May I suggest making a small table at the top of the "year by year" section that can serve as the key, and it will eliminate the long list of notes, which are mixed with the key and other notes about the information.
    • Another suggestion, placing the "general references" incorporated into the table as a extra row. Like in the table at 2008 WWE Draft.
    • Why is their an extra column in the table, yet it is not used?

--SRX 22:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made a table with all the abbreviations from the notes. The note about the key wasn't really needed after that, so I removed it. I also added a reference at the bottom of the table and removed the others, since they weren't needed (the ref covers all seasons). Opinions on the name are split 1-1 at WT:BASEBALL, and I'm watching that closely. My only question is where the extra column in the table is; I don't see it. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply - Great, may I also suggest placing the sentence about the Yankees' seasons incorporated into the lead or in a see also section because IMO it is interfering in the flow of the list.
    • I don't know if the table was intended to be built that way, but after the Awards column there is an extra "little" column, do you see it now?--SRX 13:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can't believe I missed that; thanks for fixing it. I moved the link to a new See also section. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support - my comments were addressed, I see no other flaws visible in the list or prose and meets the FL criteria.--SRX 17:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • Seems a shame there's no appropriate lead image, looks a little unappealing as it stands. I'd move the stadium image there as it looks a little odd tagged onto the end of the player images.
    • "eight charter franchises" not 100% clear to a non-expert what this means.
      • Changed to "eight original members". Is that better? Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Eliminate the small text in the key.
    • Some of your captions are complete sentences so they need full stops.
      • Added full stops to two captions. The stadium one seems borderline to me. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Don Larsen threw a perfect game in Game 5 of the 1956 World Series," citation required.
      • Added a note for the 1956 World Series, with citation included. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • " 4–0–1" unless I'm mistaken, this is the only scoreline with three parameters so it needs a footnote and reference to explain it.
      • Yes, that is the only tie mentioned. I added a note and reference to it. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Known as "Mr. October" for his clutch postseason hitting, Reggie Jackson " reference required.
      • I decided to just rephrase the caption. Calling someone a "clutch hitter" is POV by any standard. I got a little carried away there. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Footnote may be of use to let the non-expert understand the appearance of East in 1969.
    • My ignorance, but if you can only win or lose in regular season games, how can you finish 1/2 a game behind?
      • Because games can be rained out, or stopped due to darkness in the old days before stadiums were lighted. See the aforementioned 4-0-1. Games can't really end tied anymore, except for this one. Teams always try to make up postponed or suspended games, but some still end up cancelled. One of the baseball season FLs explains how the Games Back column is calculated. Would it be a good idea to add this? Giants2008 (17-14) 17:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Otherwise very good.
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Killervogel5

Comments from Killervogel5

  • Stand-alone years in the lead and the table that are linked to "baseball years" (the {{by|YYYY}} template) should be linked to the corresponding "Major League Baseball season". You can replace the current template with {{mlby|YYYY}} to link to those seasons.
  • In the key, you should put a footnote explaining what "games back" means for non-experts.
  • The following terms should be linked in the table headers: division should be linked to Division (sports), league to List of organized baseball leagues, wins to Win (baseball), losses to Loss (baseball), win% to Winning percentage, and GB to games behind.
  • Baltimore Orioles regular season records at the bottom should use the same date format as the rest of the table (YYYY–YYYY); don't abbreviate dates by leaving out the first two digits.
  • Rather than putting the reference row at the bottom of the table and the references next to "Totals", make those references (#64-66) general references.
  • The statistics for the 2008 season are incomplete. It should either be removed from the table or completed.
  • To combat the whitespace issue, I would move the Murderers' Row picture up into the Table Key section. That way, the black and white picture is not right next to all the color pictures. Aesthetically, I think that would look better.
  • As per WP:DASH, en-dashes should not be used "when the nearby wording demands it, e.g., he served from 1939 to 1941 and not he served from 1939–1941, in which from and to are complementary and should both be spelled out." This happens twice in the lead, "from 1974–1975" and "From 1921–1964".
Review by KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 20:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • All done, with the exception of moving the reference at the bottom of the table. SRX told me to put that there earlier in the comments that are hidden. I did move the references next to Totals, though. Giants2008 (17-14) 02:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Killervogel5 - An excellent sports season featured list candidate. 12:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Orlady

Comments

  • Overall, this is a good list.
  • Since "seasons" is part of the title, the lead section should use the word fairly early and provide a link to Season (sports).
    • I extended the third sentence to provide a season link. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't like the way the "Totals" section at the bottom of the table looks. I haven't compared other "seasons" lists to see how it's handled elsewhere. However, I wonder if the summary of the records should be broken off into a separate table.
    • As a note, the Totals section here is handled in the same way as the other three baseball season FLs. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd prefer to keep a similar format to the other baseball season lists, but if necessary I could try to build a small table for the all-time records. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, the fact that this was done in other FLs doesn't mean that it's the ideal way of handling the information. Even an excellent article can be improved. [wink]
          Given my WP display preferences and other display settings on the computer I'm using right now, the word "Totals" sits in the middle of a table cell with dimensions 2.9 inches high by 2.7 inches wide, and most of the table rows to the right occupy 2 lines (one of them is lines). That looks really dumb. Comparing with other MLB seasons lists, I see that the Red Sox list does not include this kind of information (that's a problem with that list, IMO); Philadelphia Phillies seasons has a less complicated history and thus a less complicated summary; and St. Louis Cardinals seasons has a complicated history, but because there are no images to the right of the table, the display is not bunched up the way it is in the Yankees article. I think the Yankees table would be more aesthetically pleasing if the summary of the statistics were in a separate table, and that some other sports seasons articles (such as Chicago Bears seasons) would also be improved by creating a separate table for summary statistics. (However, the format looks fine in articles such as Indianapolis Colts seasons.) --Orlady (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've moved the all-time franchise records to a newly created table. Not sure what the reviewers will think, but it does look cleaner to me. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • That looks good to me. Maybe this can set a new standard for other sports seasons lists (she said with a smile). --Orlady (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the purpose/function of "References:[64]" at the bottom of the list table (in the "Totals" section)? (It seems out of place.)
    • I believe this is a general reference for the entire table. This has me confused, because I added it in response to another reviewer's suggestion. You are the second reviewer to tell me this should not be here. Giants2008 (17-14) 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Orlady (talk) 22:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      • Aha! One of the other sports seasons tables I looked at had a similar note in the form of "Source:[64]." Calling it "source" would make more sense to this reviewer. However, I think that it would be even better to provide a comprehensive note something like the following: "These statistics are from New York Yankees History & Encyclopedia,[64] except where noted, and are current as of August 12, 2008. Bold denotes a World Series championship." --Orlady (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I moved the reference, while making it clear that it is from Baseball-Reference. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support All of my comments have been resolved. --Orlady (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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