Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Trivium discography

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 23:48, 20 December 2008 [1].

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Trivium discography

I don't know what to write, but the work was done, and that's all. Cannibaloki 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

• Prior to record their second album, joined the band, bassist Paolo Gregoletto, and guitarist Corey Beaulieu. - is "recording" meant here?
  • Done.
• There needs to be prose summarizing how many discs they released in total.
  • Done.
• I know this is in other FLs, but it seems odd that the extended plays, singles, etc. are not sourced at all, and leaves the table somewhat unverifiable. This should be discussed w/ the respective project or at WT:FLC.--SRX 23:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Doing... Cannibaloki 00:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Unable to prove per a lack of reliable sources. Cannibaloki 02:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
      • That then signifies that the list is not entirely verifiable. Either remove the information or attempt to find a reliable source. Best, --SRX 03:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
        • Added reference for two singles, the others were removed. Ah, the EP is in the band website. Cannibaloki 04:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Support - my issues were resolved, like you did in this list, I recommend telling the respective Wikiproject about sourcing EP's, singles, etc. before coming to FLC.--SRX 21:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The album was well received" "well received"-->well-received.
  • Done.
• "Prior to"-->Before.
  • Done.
• "joined the band, bassist Paolo Gregoletto, and guitarist Corey Beaulieu." Unclear. Who joined the band, and what did the bassist and guitarist do?
  • I made some changes but I do not know if what you want.
    • What does "joined the band" mean? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
      • Mean that they joined the band! Anyway, this sentence was reworded. Cannibaloki 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
• "The album also was released in a special edition, that includes three bonus tracks, behind the scenes footage and an instructional video."-->The album was also released in a special edition; it includes three bonus tracks, behind the scenes footage and an instructional video. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Done.

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I know. =D Cannibaloki 20:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Udonknome

Comments from Udonknome (talk · contribs) Oppose -- For various resons:

• Sources actually do not look good. For example, I don't understand how can blabbermouth.net, a news website/posting board of the band's record label, be considered a reliable source and be used in a discography article. Even we were to boldly overlook this, citation [8] used for much of the album charts is still "flawed" as the indicated charts are "First-Week Chart Positions" for The Crusade rather than the album's peak charts positions.
  • Removed.
• Also, most of those charts for the album Shogun seem to be unreferenced.
  • Done.
• In regards to the singles, are you sure that there were no charting songs? Billboard seems to indicate at least one and I'm confident that if you went through some the sources at MOS:DISCOG#Useful resources: you might find some more.
  • Irrelevant. Also these positions are from radio airplay as component charts.
• In the lead, I'd suggest you un-bold "discography of Trivium" per MOS:BOLD, as this is a "merely descriptive" name of the article.
  • Done.
• Is Florida relevant to this topic and needs to be linked?
  • Removed.
• Could you wikilink to discography somewhere in the opening paragraph?
  • Without any significant, given that the article is just a list of books, but okay. Who commonly ask me this, is Matthewedwards.
• "The album was well-received"...based on what? Sounds a bit "POVish". Nonetheless, I don't think public reception should be addressed in a discography article.
  • Removed per "I don't think public reception should be addressed in a discography article", but was based on Allmusic website.
• "...peaking at #4 on the Top Heatseekers chart." – No reference to this in the charts section, so "citation needed"
  • Done.
• According to Blabbermouth.net, The Crusade "was certified silver by [the] British Phonographic Industry". However, by searching the BPI's database this statement seems to be false, as no certification was awarded. Thus, I've come to the conclusion that Blabbermouth.net is not a reliable source.
  • Removed per lack of sources to prove this statement.
• "(BPI) – on the same day of release – for sales in excess of 60,000 copies." – Replace the N-dashes with M-dashes and no space, as WP:MOS advices.
  • Deprecated.
• Avoid using the pound key in the lead; simply spell out "number". Also, per WP:MOSNUM#Numbers, in the text single digit numbers should be rendered in words.
  • Done.
• "Follow-up Ascendancy, appeared in March 2005" – Remove the comma as there shouldn't be any interruption between the subject and the verb. Also, add the article the at the beginning of the sentence.
  • Sorry teacher...=P
• "The album was also released in a special edition; it includes three bonus tracks, behind the scenes footage and an instructional video." – Are bonus features relevant for when it comes to describe a summary of the band's discography?
  • Removed by your opinion as reader.
• The listed EP album seems to be a self-released demo CD. I think the MOS:DISCOG proposal suggests that this kind of material may not be inserted in a discography. You might want to follow that.
  • Really?

There are too many problems with this list in my opinion, so I can't support at this time. — Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 10:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

All comments were answered. Thanks for the detailed review. Cannibaloki 19:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Good job for fixing all those issues! Before I give my support, there are a few touches I'd suggest:

• In regards to the Australia charts, the references provided do not open properly for me. Unless my computer is playing tricks, there might be something wrong either with the website or the link code itself. Nonetheless, australian-charts.com has both chart positions in one page, so you might be more interested in using that reference.

• You saw: This is a copy of an Internet resource that has been archived for historical and preservation purposes. Information found in the Archive may be out of date. To proceed to the copy, please follow this link, at the Pandora Archive? This link not open directly, will take you to a page first. Also, I need these links to UK Albums Chart.

• For the album charts table: USA -> US; DEU -> GER; NZL -> NZ; CHE -> SWI; GBR -> UK. Not to be a perfectionist, but these are the most common abbreviations used around discographies. It also keeps the columns in alphabetic order. (NLD -> NL?? I'm not sure about this one.)

• Done. This was an attempt at something that not worked.=O

• For the EP, I'd suggest that you move it to the talk page until you find a reference that indicates it is an official release.

• This info you found at the band's official website. Used as an external link.

• Question: what does "__TOC__{{-}}" do?

• Is an appeal to prevent that the table if skew. Cannibaloki 05:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• Ok I found the EP. Indeed, it is an official release. I would recommend you add [2] as a reference anyone can access to. Also, I figured out how the ARIA charts reference works; however, I feel that the one I provided works better as it directly shows the positions and doesn't require the reader to go through a whole bunch of charts. In addition, for the UK charts this link indicates that "Anthem (We Are The Fire)" charted at number 40. Just to make it clear, at this point I definitely support promoting the list to FL. Any comments at this point are for further improvements. — Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 07:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• All done. Cannibaloki 15:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks— Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 04:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

• Support – Great Job! By the way, is there a chance you might be interested at giving me some peer review feedback for the Eminem discography? I am currently preparing for FLC. Thanks — Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 21:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, of course, and thanks for all! Cannibaloki 21:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Note that www.blabbermouth.net was proved to be a reliable source at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad and so it can be used. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but where is blabbermouth.net mentioned in that FAC? Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 18:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is a better link. Relevant quote from that FAC page:

• "[Blabbermouth.net] is recognised as a quality source by Roadrunner, yet not doctored by it. This is exactly what you were looking for- recognition from a major publication or group."

See also blabbermouth.net for confirmation, as well as User:Ealdgyth/FAC cheatsheet#Music. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Overall, it might be a reliable source, but I feel that it shouldn't be used with as much emphasis as it was previously in this discography. I didn't like how the website was used for chart positions and certifications, especially when better sources (Billboard.com, BPI.co.uk etc) are available. Also, as I previously pointed out, Blabbermouth.net was incorrect when stating that the album The Crusade had been certified Silver by the BPI. Thus, it can't be considered 100% reliable for the use of charts and data. Instead, I feel that it is an overall reliable news source, hence why I felt it was correct to use it to retrieve the directors of the band's music videos. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 20:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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