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John Morrison and the Miz[edit]

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The Bella Twins has been delisted after a GAR. I don't know anything about this topic, but seemingly these twins were connected in some in-universe story with the two wrestlers who are the subject of the topic. Oddly, the main article in the topic doesn't mention the twins once that I can see, so maybe they never needed to be in the topic at all? I don't feel competent to judge. Maybe the twins should just be removed from the topic, and the rest of it could stand without them; if not, then I guess the topic is now incomplete without that article and fails criterion 1(d). Anyone who knows more about this subject area care to weigh in? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am not familiar with this topic area but the original nominator stated The Bella Twins was included in this topic because they/were managers for John Morrison and the Miz (link). The article in question mostly has dead link issues, too much in-universe info according to the GAR nom, and lead issues so it could be possibly be salvable if an editor has the time. Whether or not it belongs in the topic, per the precedent at related professional wrestling topic teams at WP:GT, probably yes as they do include the manager within the topic. I have also pinged the professional wrestling wikiproject [1]. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 00:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove per my above comment, article is no longer GA and appears to be needed for this topic. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 17:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article used to include a mention of Nikki Bella as the team's manager. In July 2018, it was decided to remove the "In wrestling" section from articles, which had formerly included such information as managers and signature/finishing moves. People objected to the section as a "cruft magnet" that attracted unsourced information, so it was decided to remove the section entirely from every one of thousands of articles, even if it was properly cited. This came with an assurance that, of course, no information would be lost, as people would undoubtedly rewrite the information into prose sections. As you point out, this has not been done. I know this explanation doesn't solve the problem, but it might clear up part of the mystery. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The Bella Twins were managers of the tag team. Which is weird, since this information isn't included in prose in the article (also, they were part of a feud against The Colóns), but in the In wrestling section instead, that was deleted because many reasons, like high level of vandalism or being very hard to source. About the Bella Twins article itself, I tried to remove no notable stuff and in-universe information, but since I'm on the beach, I can't work with the sources. I asked to close it, imrpove the sources in September and open a GAN again.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – not only is the main article lacking any mentions of The Bella Twins, but I can confirm as a current viewer of WWE that their partnership with John Morrison and The Miz is not still in existence, therefore it was only temporary so does not need to be part of the topic. --K. Peake 20:55, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: I think as current viewer of WWE, you can confirm that the partnership of John Morrison and The Miz has also ended (especially after Morrison’s release), therefore it was only temporary. So by your logic above we don’t need the topic at all. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that Morrison has since left WWE, but the comment was posted back when they were still active partners. Also, him and the Miz were a team throughout their joint time in the company, while the Bella Twins only joined temporarily so I logically believe this topic can do without them. --K. Peake 07:56, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Hmm, it's an odd one - They did have a storyline where the two were involved with the Bella twins, but I'd hardly say it made them a part of this topic. As far as I remember it was around the end of 2008/start of 2009. The only time "Bella" appears in either John Morrison or The Miz is in Miz's article several years after they had ended their tag team (although they did reunite later). I'd suggest the three articles Miz, Morrison and the tag team article is the scope of the articles required. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: So one thing I cannot quite figure out. Were The Bella Twins at one point managers for John Morrison and the Miz? The sources that come up seem unreliable and am not familiar with the topic area sourcing to find out properly. If the answer is yes, then per the precedent laid out at related professional wrestling topic teams at WP:GT should be for them be included in this topic's scope (unless there is a noted exception like they were only manager for a very brief period?). If no, then probably not part of the topic's scope. Regards Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 20:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The word "valet" is often used, but as I say, it was a reasonably short amount of time. I can't think it was all that notable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Director comment - I am inclined to close but I want to be sure if the consensus would just have the Bella Twins removed from topic. GamerPro64 02:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just remove the offending article that doesn't really belong in the topic anyway. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Closing the nomination as keep and removed The Bella Twins from the topic. GamerPro64 05:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]