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FIFA World Cup[edit]

This article was a WP:FAID winner last week, and has been improved. I'm planning to nominate it for FA status. Please comment. Conscious 09:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article has been improved beyond all recognition in recent months, and is one of the better sports articles on Wiki. I remember adding the Debut of National Teams in one day, and now it's a part of a much larger, much more comprehensive section. With only a few more content it could be as close to perfect as Wiki could get.. Good luck to everyone on this doktorb | words 10:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "In the Olympic games of 1924 and 1928, Uruguay won the football gold medal, in what was considered a proto-world cup." Considered by whom? Avoid weasel words. according to http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A565148 the

Also this article http://ezinearticles .com/?FIFA-World-Cup---A-History-1930-to-1958&id=234631

  1. "Unofficially, FIFA recognized Uruguay as World Champion." Source?

I cannot find it right now, but I remember several books and newspapers printed before 1970. In 1970 was that the people begin to talk about Brazil as tri-champion and the previous tetra-championship of Uruguay (1924,1928,1930 & 1950) was forgotten. Also the same article http://ezinearticles .com/?FIFA-World-Cup---A-History-1930-to-1958&id=234631 applies

  1. "and up until two months before the start of the competition no team from that continent had promised to send a team." Source?
  2. "In the final, Uruguay beat Argentina 4-2 in front of a crowd of 93,000 people in Montevideo, to become the first nation to win a World Cup." Source for the number of people?
  3. "For each tournament, FIFA decides the number of spots awarded to each of the continental zones beforehand, based on the relative strength of the confederations' teams (and, some may argue, political considerations)" Who argues that? NOOOOO. Wroong. It's based on marketing. South America has 3 world champions and only 4 places...
  4. "However, FIFA stated that in future final tournaments will be hosted by a single nation." Source?
  5. "The decision to award the 2006 World Cup to Germany was controversial, as it was widely expected that the tournament would take place in South Africa." Who expected it? Give some source that lots of people expected this (like some newspaper saying "Lots of people expected that...") and then atribute the opinion to the source. Don't express opinions in the article.
  6. "However, FIFA has also hinted that continental rotation may not be used beyond 2014." Source?
  7. Maybe the History section could be expanded a bit. How about notable incidents or problemas that happened along the World Cups?
JoaoRicardotalk 03:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded #1 and added reference, removed #2 and referenced #3 and #4. Oldelpaso 21:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Removed #5, reworded and sourced #6. Conscious 06:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Removed #8. Conscious 11:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, JoaoRicardo. Some of these statements should be supported by references, the rest just removed. Speaking about incidents, do you mean something like the Hand of God goal? Conscious 09:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conscious, that may be included, although it wasn't exactly what I was thinking. I don't know which facts to suggest because I know nothing about soccer and the world cup, but maybe reviewing the specific articles for each world cup wields something interesting. JoaoRicardotalk 12:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I just did that. Some things that caught my eye.
  1. Political influence in World Cups: Mussolini in Italy 1934, the Football War of 1970 fought by military dictatorships,
  2. Football World Cup 1938 says there was an outrage by South Americans country upon the Cup being held in France, because they believed it would alternate between Europe and South America. It might be interesting to include this and discuss the predominance of these two continents in the tournament.
  3. How was the decision to cancel the 1942 and 1946 Cups made? Was there pressure from the countries hit by the war? Was there pressure from other countries outside the war to organize the Cups anyway?
  4. How did media coverage on the event changed during this time?
  5. Changes in the way the competition is organized, qualifying criteria, semifinals, quarterfinals, rules etc. Eg: Football World Cup 1958 says "substitute players were not allowed at the time"; match between Austria and in West Germany in Football World Cup 1982 in which they simply made the goals necessary and then "just kicked the ball around aimlessly", which led to a subsequent change in which "the final two games in each group were played simultaneously"
  6. I know this is a tricky one, but is there any consensus as to which are the best and the worst editions of the World Cup?
JoaoRicardotalk 13:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the same numbering:

  1. I agree, a subsection could be included.
  2. I believe there was something on it in the previous revisions... "Successful national teams" deals with Europe vs. South America to some extent.
  3. and
  4. I'm not sure if much can be found, but worth trying.
  5. That's just how football was changing. Accidents like Austria vs. West Germany happen until now, btw ("Nordic Victory", Denmark vs. Sweden at Euro 2004)
  6. Never heard of things like this.

Thank you for your help with an outside view, JoaoRicardo, especially as you say you "can't stand sports". (That doesn't mean we're finished.) Conscious 09:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like an image should be added in the lead. Also, the sections seem out of place. The results table seems out of place. I think it'd be better if all the article text (media coverage, selection of hosts) be higher up and then the results table and records. Something like that. Gflores Talk 03:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Before FAC, it might be better to have a good editor copyedit this once again to polish the language.

>> In the Olympic games of 1924 and 1928, Uruguay won the football gold medal, in the first intercontinental football competitions[1]. These victories led the FIFA to choose Uruguay as the home of the first FIFA sanctioned World Cup.

I believe another reason was that Uruguay was celebrating the centenary of their independance at the time. Can you check whether your sources consider it important enough to be worth a mention ?

>> The World Cup is now a truly global event, with as many as 197 nations entering qualification for the 2006 edition.

197 nations is mentioned twice in the article. The repeat may be avoided. Tintin Talk 01:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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