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Jesus College, Oxford

I'd love to receive any comments on how the article could be improved. Are there any major things which should be covered but aren't, for instance? Any input would be most welcome! --Casper Gutman 11:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments from WindsorFan

• Academics/teachers and Notable former students are both lists and need to be prosified. Combine them into a single "People" section.
• The College Graces section is unreferenced.
• Some of the language is very tentative; "somewhat obscure" and "relatively unusual", for example.
• The Welsh Connection might be better merged with Student life or History.
• Don't wikilink single years (e.g. "founded by Elizabeth I in 1571").
• Look at Oriel College, a featured Oxford college article, for other ideas.

Thanks for your input! I can act on several of those items immediately, though the combining and prosification (prosifying?) of the people sections will need a little longer.

I see at the Oriel article that they mention only a few key people in the main article, selected partly to show the breadth of the college's notable connections, and this seems a good idea. The rest of the list can be easily shunted into a separate "List of Jesus College People" article as has been done for Oriel, so as to preserve such completeness as has been achieved with the current arrangement while at the same time decluttering the main article.

If there is another lesson from the Oriel article it would seem to be that a longer article can be tolerated. However, I'd be wary of making (e.g.) the Buildings section too long as I suspect it could risk going beyond what is of general encyclopaedic interest! That said, more could probably be added e.g. on the portraits (by the likes of Holbein and Van Dyck) in the college Hall, and brief sections on the other (less obviously touristic) parts of the college. Time to dig out Pevsner perhaps..... Casper Gutman 13:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments from AFAProf01

It is an excellent article, very well written, fine references—and you got them all outside the punctuation. Way to go! I live in Texas in the US, and know nothing about the College, but I found the article very informative and interesting. The pictures add a lot. Saying those prayers in Latin is an amazing tradition.

Suggestion: the 1814 chapel pic is quite dark. Perhaps someone with Photoshop or similar graphics editing software can improve it.

Someone placed a comment under Note and references that you look up the instructions for how to make it work. I think that's a bit much. I fixed it for you. It's so simple, and if you scroll down to Wiki markup under SAVE PAGE...SHOW PREVIEW on edit page, you'll see two choices that you can click and insert: {{Reflist}} and <references/>. They are interchangeable. Good work. I wish I had peer edits from you on some of my articles. Have a blessed Palm Sunday tomorrow, and an even more wonderful Easter. He is risen! Afaprof01 22:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments on the article! I'm sure all who've contributed to it will be pleased to hear you enjoyed reading it. Hopefully you had a great Palm Sunday too, and will have an Easter that's just as good. Was reminded of all that's most special about spring today while walking in the Black Mountains, Wales, seeing new-born lambs just about everywhere! Casper Gutman 22:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments from Alf

Very, very minor points for me - two section titles begin with the word "College" - I'd be marginally happier without them there. The architectural history is at a fine level for Good Article criteria, but I could soak up plenty more, that may just be me though! The gallery views are the least attractive way of displaying the pictures, there isn't enough text to go round, as it were, at the moment, but I'm sure that will come. I'll look up on which page the Grace appears in Reg. Adams' The College Graces of Oxford and Cambridge when I get home this evening and add as an extra reference, provided of course it matches the primary source ;p --Alf ^melmac 13:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I'll change the section headings, and agree the image galleries are a bit cluttered. More text in that section will certainly help there, and I intend adding some in the not-too-distant future. Thanks for offering to look up the grace! Casper Gutman 13:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I've had a go at releasing the pictures from the galleries, I've managed to find a connection in each of the bits of texts for the placing. The slight overhangs will disappear with a bit more addition though, a case of 'it'll grow into it' :) --Alf ^melmac 00:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)