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The article has recently achieved GA status, but I would eventually like to get it to Featured status. So I was wondering where the article could be improved and if there is anything that needs adding. Cheers NapHit (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this article. I have to admit I am not much of a football fan and not very knowledgable, so perhaps that makes me a good reviewer in terms of things that need to be explained to an interested reader with little knowledge beyond the basics of the sport. Here are some suggestions for improvement with an eye to FAC.

A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow - there are no FAs on football clubs in Europe, but there are quite a few "History of ________ F.C." featured articles that may be useful models. See History of Arsenal F.C. (1886–1966), History of Aston Villa F.C. (1961–present), History of Bradford City A.F.C., History of Gillingham F.C., History of Ipswich Town F.C., History of Norwich City F.C., and History of Stoke City F.C.
I think this sentence would benefit from being more specific Since being reaccepted in 1991, Liverpool has qualified for either the Champions League or the UEFA Cup in most seasons to date. so perhaps Since being reaccepted in 1991, Liverpool has qualified for the Champions League X times and the UEFA Cup Y times as of 2011.
I am a big believer in providing context to the reader - see WP:PCR - and think that this article would benefit from clearly stating the number of European competitions possible in the lead - I am pretty sure there are only two: the oldest and best is the UEFA Champions League (European Cup) and the second olest and second best is the UEFA Europa League (UEFA Cup). The problem for me as someone who knows very little about European football is that I thought at first the qualifiers for these cups were also somehow European competitions.
Similarly I think it would be useful to start the body of the article a breif paragraph (before the Shankly years) The paragraph could have a sentence on the history of the European Cup (founded in 1955 and when English teams first competed), followed by a sentence on the history of Liverpool FC (founded in 1892, first played in the European Cup in 1964), and last a sentence on the start of what is now the UEFA Cup in 1971.
Article should be consistent on identifying nationality of teams played - I knew Reykjavik was in Iceland already, but was not sure where Anderlecht was (thought it was in the Netherlands).
Can all red strip be linked - assume it is their uniforms but thought that was called kit The next round against Anderlecht was the first time that the club wore their all-red strip.
Now I see there is also a UEFA Cup Winner's Cup - this should also be made clearer in the lead and in the intro paragraph - I thought it was just the old name for the second highest cup.
And now I see there is also the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup - the problem is that there is this zoo of various European competitions and someone who does not know all the names and histories of the various cups is hopelessly confused by the end of the Shankly era (if not earlier).
Along the same lines, it might help to identify ENglish or British leagues and competitions as such on first mention
Language is good, nice images
Generally well cited but this needs a ref Liverpool's victory over Sunderland in the 1992 FA Cup Final qualified them for the 1992–93 European Cup Winners' Cup, but the campaign was short-lived, and they were eliminated in the second round by Spartak Moscow. Liverpool finished no higher than sixth in the Premier League during the next two seasons and thus failed to qualify for European competition again until the 1995–96 season when they entered the UEFA Cup, but again progressed no further than the second round.
as does this In the next two seasons, Liverpool played in the UEFA Cup but were eliminated in the early rounds, first by Strasbourg and then by Celta de Vigo. A seventh-place finish in the 1998–99 FA Premier League meant Liverpool did not qualify for Europe in 1999–2000.
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Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The more I think about it, the more I think some sort of "European competition" section at the start would help. This could explain the histories of the various cups, the names they go by, and how a team can qualify to play for them. I think there should also be some sort of ranking of the cups - which is the best, which is runner up, and which are less prestigious. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:59, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS If there is a section on European competition, then I would still have one sentence on Liverpool FC at the start of the Shankly section (They were founded in 1892, perhaps their number of British championships before appearing in their first European match). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]