Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Jesse L. Brown

Jesse L. Brown[edit]

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the TFAR nomination of the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page unless you are renominating the article at TFAR. For renominations, please add {{collapse top|Previous nomination}} to the top of the discussion and {{collapse bottom}} at the bottom, then complete a new {{TFAR nom}} underneath.

The result was: scheduled for Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 4, 2012 by Bencherlite ^Talk 14:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse L. Brown (1926–1950) was the first African-American naval aviator in the United States Navy, and the first naval officer killed in the Korean War. Born in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, to an impoverished family, Brown gained an avid interest in aircraft from a young age. In an era of institutionalized racism, Brown was able to graduate as salutatorian of his high school. Brown enlisted in the US Navy in 1946 and became a midshipman one year later. Brown earned his pilot wings on 21 October 1948 amid a flurry of press coverage. He was subsequently assigned to Fighter Squadron 32 aboard the USS Leyte. At the outset of the Korean War, the Leyte was ordered to the Korean Peninsula, arriving in October 1950. Brown, an ensign, flew 20 combat missions before his F4U Corsair aircraft came under fire and crashed on a remote mountaintop on 4 December 1950 during a mission supporting ground troops at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir. Brown died of his wounds in spite of efforts by wingman Thomas J. Hudner, Jr., who intentionally crashed his aircraft attempting a rescue and was later awarded the Medal of Honor. Brown's successes in the segregated US military were memorialized in several books, and the frigate USS Jesse L. Brown (FF-1089) was named in his honor. (Full article...)

from pending requests, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Points please, per the consensus at WT:TFAR that nominations should continue to use them, and because with 10 articles nominated for specific dates the page is full and people need to know which one is next to be replaced. Please also notify the principal author(s) of your nomination. Bencherlite ^Talk 11:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because no points are given. We are not here to do your work. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thomas Baker (aviator) (another aviator killed in action, albeit from Australia and in the First World War) is Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 14, 2012, which would give this a 2-point penalty anyway, I think. Bencherlite ^Talk 10:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the points, I would like a word from Dabomb, the only one whom they would help, to my understanding. - Ten slots are full only because scheduling is behind. - I informed the main author now. - When did we see the last black face on the Main page? - Today's pilot was scheduled although this one was on the pending list. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Putting something on the pending list does not prevent a similar article being chosen in advance - it would make the scheduler's job far too onerous. In terms of non-European faces at TFA, and assuming your question wasn't rhetorical, the forthcoming TFA David Suzuki: The Autobiography has a photograph of Suzuki (of Japanese heritage), the TFA on November 3 had a picture of the Indian king Kanthirava Narasaraja I, the October 19 TFA had a photograph of a Chinese-American litigant, the next day's TFA was of Andjar Asmara from Indonesia, a few days later came Hadji Ali of possible Egyptian background, etc - so the TFA slot is not quite an all-white preserve. Bencherlite ^Talk 19:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I asked black and meant black. As you observed we saw Asian faces on both 19 and 20 October. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 01:09, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Points As original editor, I believe this has -1 because, though December 4 is the date of death, the FA was promoted less than a year ago, and there has recently been another aviator on TFA, penalizing this one. —Ed!^(talk) 12:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We should not publish biographical articles on the anniversaries of the deaths of the persons, much less award points for it. The deceased should be commemorated on the anniversaries of their birth, not the dates of their loss. Where the death itself is the subject of an article an article could be run on the date (e.g., "Assasination of n"), but biographies should not be. I hope this article appears on the main page, but please, not on December 4. Kablammo (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree in general, but in this case his death is related to his profession. I would let the scheduler decide. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. - Because he was the first naval officer killed in the Korean War, the date is significant not just to his death. ~ GabeMc ^(talk