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Figure skating is a highly technical and complicated sport. WikiProject Figure Skating believes that one of the barriers that get in the way of high-quality articles about the sport on Wikipedia is that most featured article, good article, peer review, and DYK reviewers know little to nothing about the sport. We believe that setting up our own system of A-Class assessments is a way to solve that problem. We also believe that figure skating articles suffer from the content gap, since the sport is a neglected, "nichy", and obscure topic on Wikipedia, and from the gender gap, since many of its athletes are women. Consequently, we require that reviewers of A-class figure skating articles must be experts about the sport and how to write about it on Wikipedia.

Review process[edit]

A-class may only be assigned following an A-class review (see below). A review is closed when at least three (3) reviewers reach consensus that the article fulfills the A-class criteria.

Reviewer requirements[edit]

  • At least two reviewers should be experts in the sport of figure skating, among them at least one who
    • is knowledgeable about the article's topic in specific to judge its comprehensiveness and accuracy in content
    • is familiar with the Figure Skating style and terminlogy guide
    • has either significantly contributed to or reviewed a featured class, A-class or good class article since 2020.
  • At least one reviewer should be unfamiliar with the sport of figure skating to check the article's accessibility to casual readers. Ideally, this reviewer has experience in featured class or A-class reviews.
  • All reviewers must be uninvolved with the article they review (no significant contributions) to ensure a neutral evaluation of all A-class criteria.

If you are interested in reviewing potential A-class figure skating articles and, please add your name below:

Review criteria[edit]

The article under review should meet all six general and five figure skating-specific criteria for A-class articles:

General A-class criteria

  • (A1) Content: The article is comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral, and focused on the main topic. It neglects no major facts or details, presents views fairly and without bias, and does not go into unnecessary detail.
  • (A2) Structure: The article has an appropriate structure of hierarchical headings, including a concise lead section that summarizes the topic and prepares the reader for the detail in the subsequent sections, and a substantial but not overwhelming table of contents.
  • (A3) Language and style: The article is written in concise and articulate English. Its prose is clear, in line with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, and does not require substantial copy-editing to be fully MOS-compliant.
  • (A4) Referencing: The article is consistently referenced with an appropriate citation style, all claims are verifiable against reliable secondary sources, accurately represent the relevant body of published knowledge, and are supported with specific evidence and further reading material if appropriate.
  • (A5) Illustrations: The article contains appropriately licensed supporting visual materials, such as images or diagrams with succinct captions and other media where relevant.
  • (BP) Biographies: Note that Wikipedia's guidelines regarding biographies, especially for living persons, MUST be followed.

Criteria specific to figure skating

Instructions[edit]

Requesting a review

To request the first A-class review of an article:

  1. Please double-check the Figure Skating A-class criteria (see above) and ensure that the article meets most or all of the five (a good way of ensuring this is to put the article through a good article nomination or a peer review beforehand, although this is not mandatory).
  2. If there has been a previous A-class nomination of the article, before re-nominating the article the old nomination page must be moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Name of nominated article/archive1 to make way for the new nomination page.
  3. Add A-class=current to the {{WikiProject Figure Skating}} project banner at the top of the article's talk page (e.g. immediately after the class= or importance= field).
  4. From there, click on the "currently undergoing" link that appears in the template (below the "Additional information" section header). This will open a page pre-formatted for the discussion of the status of the article.
  5. List your reason for nominating the article in the appropriate place, and save the page.
  6. Add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure skating/Assessment/Name of nominated article}} at the top of the list of A-class review requests below.
  7. Refresh the article's talk page's cache by following these steps. (This is so that the article's talk page "knows" that the A-class review page has actually been created. It can also be accomplished in the 2010 wikitext editor by opening the page in edit mode and then clicking "save" without changing anything, i.e. making a "null edit". )
  8. An article may not be nominated for an A-class review and be a Featured article candidate, undergoing a Peer Review, or have a Good article nomination at the same time.
Reviewing an article

The Figure skating A-class standard is deliberately set high, very close to featured article quality. Reviewers should therefore satisfy themselves that the article meets all of the A-class criteria before supporting a nomination. Special attention should be paid to the criteria specific to figure skating articles (see above). As with featured articles, any objections must be "actionable"; that is, capable of rectification.

If you intend to review an article but not yet ready to post your comments, it is suggested that you add a placeholder comment. This lets other editors know that a review is in progress. This could be done by creating a comment or header such as "Reviewing by Username" followed by your signature.This would be added below the last text on the review page. When you are ready to add comments to the review, strike out the placeholder comment and add your review. For instance, strike out "reviewing" and replace it with "comments" eg:

Comments Reviewing by Username

Add your comments after the heading you have created. Once comments have been addressed by the nominator you may choose to support or oppose the nomination's promotion to A-class by changing the heading:

Support / Oppose Comments reviewing by Username

If you wish to abstain from either decision, you may indicate that your comments have been addressed or not addressed. For instance:

Comments Reviewing by Username addressed / not addressed

This makes it easy for the nominator and closer to identify the status of your review. You may also wish to add a closing statement at the end of your comments. When a nominator addresses a comment, this can be marked as {{done}} or {{resolved}}, or in some other way. This makes it easy to keep track of progress, although it is not mandatory.

Requesting a review to be closed

A nominator may request the review be closed at any time if they wish to withdraw it. This can be done by pinging any and/or all reviewers regarding your request for closure.

A review is closed when all reviewers agree, by consensus, that the article should be passed or failed. In order to pass to A-class, the article must receive a minimum of three supports, a source review, and an image review. The source review should focus on whether the sources used in the article are reliable and of high quality, and in the case of a first-time nominator, spot-checking should also be conducted to confirm that the citations support the content.

After A-class

You may wish to consider taking your article to featured article candidates for review. Before doing so, make sure you have addressed any suggestions that might have been made during the A-class review, that were not considered mandatory for promotion to A-class. It can pay to ask the A-class reviewers to help prepare your article, or you may consider sending it to peer review or to the Guild of Copy Editors for a final copy edit.

Demotion

If an editor feels that any current A-class article no longer meet the standards and may thus need to be considered for demotion (i.e. it needs a re-appraisal) please place a request for assistance on the article's talk page.

Current reviews[edit]

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Yuna Kim[edit]

Instructions for nominators and reviewers

Nominator(s): Figureskatingfan (talk)

Yuna Kim (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because the subject is important to figure skating and because I think it's ready to go through the very first A-Class review in the Figure Skating WikiProject. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Henni147[edit]

I'm happy to join this A-class review from Sunday onward. First notes:

  • The table templates for world records, programs, and competitive highlights look good already. I will take a closer look at the infobox and detailed results section later.
  • The external links section needs some brush-up, both the list of weblinks and navigation boxes. I will list the most important issues later.
Kim's webpage is broken and a brief goggle yields nothing, so I removed it. Does anyone know if she still has a webpage at a different URL? I also removed some of the older/archived and redundant items. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe she has a website anymore, no. Artemisia (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My focus in this review will be on:

  1. the adaptation of the revamped Wiki figure skating style and terminology guide
  2. linking and text/image formatting
  3. sourcing and formatting of the references/inline citations
  4. copyright and license check (incl. images)

I will also take a look at the content and writing, but I recommend to have another reviewer with deeper knowledge about Yuna's career as well as a copy-editor for articles written in British English (as English is only my third language and I am more familiar with American English). Henni147 (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick update: I want to finish the revamp of our project page and the assessment guidelines first before starting this review, so it may take another day. I hope that is okay. Henni147 (talk) 14:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review start: Finally, I got the time to start my A-class review! First of all, I want to express my appreciation for your fantastic work! I crossread the article, and it is some really fine work. I decided to tackle the structure issue first because that may come with the most work to fix:

Yuna Kim
Figure skating career
Competitive2001–2014
Professional2014–2019
Retired8 June 2019
  • Important note on "retirement": As per WP:FS TERM, the term "retirement" should only be used for skaters who officially retired from both competitive and professional figure skating, and are no longer performing at skating events at all. If my information is correct, Kim's last skating performance was at the 2019 All That Skate, so the correct infobox entry should look as shown on the right. Please make sure to follow this terminology convention in the lead section and prose part of the article as well.
    • I respectfully have to disagree with this. Kim has never stated that she has retired from professional skating; we should not use a retirement date we cannot verify. It's quite possible she could continue to participate in shows in the future. All of the sources state that she retired from competitive skating in 2014 – I believe that we should follow their lead. Artemisia (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Artemisia; there are no sources that support the assertion that Kim is done with professional skating. I'll keep the date open for now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Section headings:
    • Change "Competitive career" to "Competitive skating career" and "Show skating career" to "Professional skating career". Make sure that the "Competitive skating career" only covers events from the first skating competition onward, starting in 2001, and move everything else into the "Early life" section, which should focus on the skater's family background and how the skater got into figure skating.
      • We actually discussed renaming the show skating career section previously. The issue is that she began participating in shows while she was still an amateur. But if you think a different name would be more fitting, I'm open to changing it. Artemisia (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That often happens now: ever since the rules have become more lax about amateur/professional status, skaters (and other athletes) have started their professional careers while still competing internationally. I agree with the heading changes, so done. I'm also done with the restructuring you suggested.Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Turn the "Coaches" section into a sub-section of the "Competitive skating career" or merge its content into the prose (recommended). The prose part of the article should not be disrupted by a statistics section that only contains a bulleted list.
Moved "Coaches" section to the end of the "Competitive skating career". I disagree about changing the bulleted list into prose because the content is already in other sections and because it'd be boring to present it that way. Is there a policy that states your assertion about bulleted lists? To be honest, the only reason the list exists is because it was already there when I began working on it, although I added the refs. I'd be okay with removing it, since the info is redundant. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Merge the sections "Skating technique and training" and "Artistry" to "Skating technique and style".
      Note: NEVER use the term "artistry" or derivatives anywhere when talking about figure skating, with exception of crucial direct quotes, particularly because it is one of the most abused terms by figure skating media. Note that the ISU has never used it in any of their official documents themselves. Make sure to clearly break down and describe the skater's skills with the technically correct terms: (1) carriage and dancing skills, (2) choreography and composition skills, (3) skills in (technical) music interpretation (timing, rhythm, pitch changes ...), (4) projection, narration, and acting skills.
Done moving sections; main articles templates also changed. What you're saying about the term "artistry" is a valid point, one I've never thought of before. Ya learn something new everyday, right? Artemisia is right; making the changes you're suggesting regarding the technical terms. That's something to tackle later on, though, when we focus on those spinoffs. For now, we should leave the titles and content of those articles alone and leave the main article templates as is. I've changed every instance of the word "artistry" in a non-direct quote throughout the article.
This point brings up another issue for me: when the sources don't analyze skating in those terms, isn't it OR to impose them in WP bios? I mean, we can do as much as we can when we paraphrase, but I think only to a point because it can easily delve into placing our opinions into articles. What do you think about that? Ah, something else to potentially add to the project MOS. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I recommend to bundle the three sections "Impact on figure skating", "Olympic ambassador", and "Media image and impact" as follows:
      Main section title "Legacy and impact" with the sub-sections: (.1) "Impact on figure skating", (.2) "Olympic ambassadorship", (.3) "Media image and impact".
    • I recommend to turn "Personal life" into "Personal life and education" and move the related content from the "Early life" section here. This helps to have a better chronology of events at the beginning of the article and to better distinguish between public and private activities.
  • Detailed results: During the FLC review of Hanyu's career achievements, we were instructed to remove all tables with results prior to the first international junior season. In this case, remove all domestic results in the 6.0 System.

These are my first main perceptions. I will take a more detailed look on the other aspects tomorrow. Henni147 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Artemisialufkin: Thank you very much for the quick changes! I will go through them later one-by-one. Here are some more comments on the article structure:

Yes, thanks so much! I appreciate it, since my schedule this week prevented me from addressing this review before today. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Table of contents: To keep the TOC at reasonable length, I recommend to add {{TOC limit|3}} after the lead section. I also suggest to skip some of the sub-headings if possible, especially in sections with only one sub-heading (it makes little sense in numeration to have 6.1 when there is no 6.2). You may take a look at the TOC of Hanyu's biography as an example.
  • Show skating career: I agree that this title may fit better in this special case, indeed. The reason why I suggested to use the division "(1) Early life (2) Competitive skating career (3) Professional skating career" is that there is no overlapping but clean transitions from one section to the next, avoiding time jumps and keeping the life/career summary in chronological order. But yes, it might be laborous to merge all the ice show-related content into the competitive skating career section. I don't mind to keep it like this for the time being.
  • Detailed results: Since Yuna has never competed in the +5/-5 GOE System, you can skip that information from the section headings; "Senior level" and "Junior level" should be sufficient. On Hanyu's featured career achievements page, we also used "Junior level" only.

That's it for today. I will tackle the other points of the review tomorrow afternoon. Henni147 (talk) 17:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuna Kim
Figure skating career
Competitive2001–2014
Professional2014–present

Response to the "retirement" issue: If Kim has not officially announced her retirement from professional skating yet, we should skip the term "retirement" entirely from her article for the time being and use the format on the right for the infobox. Figure skating journalists labelling professional skaters as "retired" has been a very harmful practice for decades. Pro skaters have a hard time marketing their works because many people misinterpret "retirement" as complete retirement from figure skating and longer follow their careers by mistake. Since Wikipedia is one of the first websites that most people use for quick information about a public person, it is our responsibility to work in favor of the skaters and not make their lives harder. This may not be a big issue in the case of Kim, but we should be consistent in our practice.

Note: I finally completed the work on our project page, so I will be able to fully tackle this A-class review from tomorrow onward. Henni147 (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't see this until just now, after my comments and changes about retirement above. I like this idea; changed now. Again, good points; of course, this is one of the attempts to keep the sport elitist and Western, but that's a whole other issue. This attempt in sports in general is something that's in opposition to the values of Wikipedia, something I personally believe we should support as we write about skaters. We've already done that with the proposal change in referring to female skaters as "women" rather than "ladies", years before the sport made the change. Another way is putting up Kim's bio as our project's first A-class assessment. Ah, but I go off-topic. Take your time with continuing the review; I have other things to tackle, too. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Apqaria[edit]

I am glad to join this project. While I am very familiar with Yuna's career, I want to focus in my review on the article's contents. I will try to go through it in details starting this weekend to see how the info matches the references included in the article. Hope this will help even if a little for this project. Apqaria (talk) 23:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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