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Charles Eaton (RAAF officer)[edit]

Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk)
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Another RAAF character known not only for his exploits in the air but for never being afraid to speak his mind, perhaps not unlike fellow Group Captain John Lerew... Any and all comments welcome! Ian Rose (talk) 01:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you looking for an A-class review for a GA review? I don't think the banner has been updated. -SidewinderX (talk) 19:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Both actually. Generally a MilHist ACR gets attention from reviewers far quicker than a GAN, so some of us list them simultaneously. When you say the banner hasn't been updated, I presume you mean the Aviation one in the article's talk page. That's because I'm using the one ACR, generated from MilHist and transcluded at Aviation, the aim being it gets one ACR instead of a MilHist one and then an Aviation one, per the Aviation talk page where we discussed cross-listing ACRs and both projects accepting the other's A-Class assessment (similar to a long-standing process/agreement between MilHist and the Ships wikiproject). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments – a fantastic article on a highly interesting man, just a few comments:

  • Although I can probably quess the answer, is there any further information available on Eaton's early life and service during the First World War?
    • Yes there is more online, but unfortunately not from what I think we can term a reliable source, and the only other reliable source I haven't employed, his record from the NAA, is very light on in the British service dept (understandably).
      • Nothing more from his bio (Farram 2007)? Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Heh, with that one, excellent as it is, it's all in the subtitle - it concentrates on his involvement with the Northern Territory (the search-and-rescues 1929-31, Darwin 1939-40, 79WG 1943-44) and skirts over the rest... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He resigned from the RAF in July the following year" - It might be an idea to actually clarify the year here, as the last time a year was mentioned was several lines previously.
    • Sounds fair.
  • As there was about a five year break in his military service, Eaton's exact years of service should be desplayed in the infobox, I think, rather than the slightly misleading generalised one.
    • That's probably fair as well.
  • Is his rank on enlistment in the RAAF known? If not, it should be clarified that he entered as an officer. Also, are any of his ranks while serving with the British Army, RFC or RAF known? Although I presume he was commissioned on gaining his wings, is this information available?
    • See first point, apart from AWM mentioning he was a Lieut. Oops, and Flying Officer in RAAF, forgot that one...
  • "Eaton was involved in promotional work" - Would you be able to clarify what this type of work was/what Eaton did in this employment?
    • ADB just says "company promoter".
  • The presentation of access dates for the cites are inconsistent.
    • Will check, no doubt due template inconsistencies again...

Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Yet another great article Ian. As usual, I have some comments you may wish to consider:
    • "he transferred to the newly formed Royal Air Force that April" seems unnecessary given that the RFC was redesignated the RAF - writing "he transferred" implies that he did something to move to the new organisation.
      • Agree, how about "was transferred", or did you have other wording in mind?
    • "When Fairbairn died in the Canberra air disaster shortly afterwards, his pilot was Flight Lieutenant Robert Hitchcock, son of Bob Hitchcock of the Kookaburra and also a former member of Eaton's No. 21 Squadron" - I think that this could be cut as it doesn't have anything directly to do with Eaton
      • It's true it's in the "odd coincidence" dept and including it was an afterthought on my part, but since the source highlighted it in this fashion I didn't think it was too out of place.
    • Can any more details on Eaton's transfer from No. 72 Wing be added? - it seems like a serious matter to move such a senior officer from a combat formation he'd raised to a training school
      • ADB, already employed, is my main source for this; Odgers is conspicuously silent.
    • No. 79 Wing also took part in the North Western Area Campaign
      • Okay.
    • The last para in the 'World War II' section may need to be reworked a bit; only one U-boat operated in the area (something the Allies were aware of at the time thanks to code breaking) and its appearance led to the renewal of intensive maritime patrols, which had been largely abandoned in late 1943. I might tweak this a bit using material from David Stevens excellent book on the ASW campaign around Australia. Nick-D (talk) 22:59, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Be more than happy for you to tweak a bit if you have additional info; I believe the para was a reasonable summation of Odgers but if there are other sources... Tks for review/spt, Nick. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Comments

  • Ref #7 (World War II Nominal Roll) needs a publisher.
    • The way I've done it here is the same as other online refs I've used in prev A/FA articles, and the same as ref #3 in this article so I would've thought it was adequate as is...
  • Early life and World War I section, "rejoining his squadron in the dying days of the war." "dying days" is an odd phrasing - I'm assuming you mean something along the lines of last days, but could this be put in a more specific way?
  • Between the wars section, "who was subsequently discovered safe." Again, odd phrasing. I assume you mean that, when discovered, he was alive and well?
  • World War II, "unload ships in Port Darwin during industrial action". Does "industrial action" mean a strike?
  • Same section, "Eaton was recommended to be Mentioned in Despatches on 28 October 1944 for his "Gallant and distinguished service" in NWA, promulgated in the London Gazette on 9 March 1945." This sentence jumps directly from the recommendation to the promulgation, with nothing in-between. Perhaps something like "...the recommendation was accepted, and the mention was promulgated..."?
    • All others done.

Just a few comments - overall this is a very nice article. Once these have been taken care of, I will be happy to support. Dana boomer (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tks for review, Dana. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick response. Everything above looks good, so I have added my support. Dana boomer (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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