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Discussion over at[edit]

Template_talk:Video_game_reviews#Early_home_computers that might be of interest. CapnZapp (talk) 10:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two platforms, same review[edit]

I have a review that was published on GamesRadar+ website and on PC Gamer UK. How should I present that information in the article?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Syndicating reviews/articles used to be more common on the internet. A lot of Gamespy reviews got republished on 1UP, for example. If you can, try to figure out which one is the "original" publication and only use that one. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can, for posterity, note that the review was re-published by a different magazine on the talkpage. In my mind, this can suggest that it's considered a high-quality source. It can also serve as an additional archive of the source. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't really suggest a high-quality source in this particular case: It's simply a matter of both publications being owned by Future. -- ferret (talk) 12:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have access to the print version, you can cite both by adding the URL to the "cite magazine" template. Or if you use "cite web", in the website field write something like "GamesRadar+ (originally published in PC Gamer UK). --Mika1h (talk) 11:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (May 13 to May 19)[edit]

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Before you sneer, cast your mind back to the nonsense you thought was funny when you were ten years old. I promise it was just as dumb. --PresN 00:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Melinoë (Hades) seems awfully early and the reception section is based on pulling a couple lines out of reviews of the game while in early access. She might likely get an article later, but I'd wait until the game has its full release or more about the development comes out. --Masem (t) 00:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't believe that to be the case, there are multiple articles in the reception section about Melinoe first and foremost. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two quick questions[edit]

I'm just wondering about two relatively minor issues concerning the introduction and infobox. 1) Should the first sentence in the intro include the initial year of release, as in "Kill death murder" is a 2024 video game..." I know that's how films are introduced but is there a standard for video games? 2) In the infobox, should the platform be listed as "Windows" or "Microsoft Windows"? Thanks. Bertaut (talk) 13:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) WP:VG/LEAD says that you should have e.g. "is a 2017 action-adventure game" in the first sentence, and I know some people really insist on it, though its not universal.
2) Typically just Windows. --PresN 14:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's great. Thanks. Bertaut (talk) 14:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up: Gamer Network acquired by IGN[edit]

IGN Entertainment has acquired Gamer Network from Reed Pop, and while no site yet has been labeled for discontinuation, there are layoffs happening across Gamer Network sites due to redundancies, like Brandon Sinclair at Games Industry.biz
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ign-buys-gamer-network-sites-layoffs-in-progress/1100-6523610/?ftag=CAD-01-10abi2f — Masem (t) 17:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of these days, every single source from some point in the future and onward will be all IGN. Panini! • 🥪 18:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better IGN than Valnet, I guess... Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh. I sometimes wonder what Wikipedia would even look like in that hypothetical future. What will people do? Will we devolve into writing articles like "You won't believe what Link wears on his feet! (Brown shoes found in a treasure chest!)"? Sergecross73 msg me 19:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just think we won't write as much, frankly, if all we get outside of major press for games is a bunch of content churnalism. I don't think we'll just decide to loosen reliable source standards because the good sources are disappearing. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was mostly kidding, though I do sometimes fear that, some day, if all that's left is churnalism junk, us experienced regulars are eventually going to be swarmed and overwhelmed by newbies who use the junk because there's simply nothing else. Sergecross73 msg me 20:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Magazines came and went in the 90s too. Laid off journalists will start their own publications. I'm not worried about coverage. czar 18:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think in that case we just have to hope more Aftermaths spring up. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aftermath was marked as inconclusive, at the reliable source discussion board. This seems like a mistake. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that was mostly due to the age of the publication, its had several more months now to assess. Masem (t) 00:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Combined with instant layoffs, of course. https://twitter.com/ethangach/status/1792945062151594281 IceWelder [✉] 19:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how to feel about this whole thing. On one hand, IGN is still a decent source and I doubt much will change on the content side for at least a few years. On the other hand, they've closed other good sites before and if IGN's quality decreased even more, this would be bringing down some of our other best sources with them. At least right now we still have sites owned by Future and Vox, even if the latter have their own problems. λ NegativeMP1 20:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I like IGN quite a bit, especially because their coverage, like GameSpot, goes back a lot farther than a lot of other websites. And I don't think they're the type to go and turn good websites into churnalism/AI/Walkthrough type junk either. I just hate that it leads to layoffs, could lead to website shutting down, and that, if IGN/GamerNetwork ever falls, the number of websites lost is going to be brutal. Sergecross73 msg me 20:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is disappointing. Focusing on what it means for Wikipedia, I'll repeat a refrain that I keep bringing up at the reliable source discussion page.
Even our best sources are mixing in more churnalism / game guide / meme content. We have to confront the idea that even our best sources are somewhat situational. That means we should offer more guidance on how to use different kinds of coverage. (For example, we should always summarize game reviews, carefully use game lists, and rarely use game guides.) Shooterwalker (talk) 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only advice i can give anybody here regarding online sources is: If you see something that is part of an article you're interested in working on it, better archive that website or take a screencap of it. You never known what might happen in the future. Do i even have to bring up 1UP.com as an example of a website bought by IGN that was later closed down and the surviving links don't even work properly? Roberth Martinez (talk) 16:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the WMF engine has a built in mechanism that I believe autoarchives any reference added to an article. — Masem (t) 00:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of new format for List of Xbox 360 games[edit]

I started a discussion regarding a new format at Talk:List of Xbox 360 games (A–L), would like some feedback Famous Hobo (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mildly warm take: We should MOS the entire concept of "platform lists" and make most, if not all of them, consistent in format. -- ferret (talk) 01:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had suggested this some years ago and was shot down regarding standardization of tables like this. Masem (t) 02:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly agree with this. No genres, limited release dates, etc. Trim this stuff down. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV plot in Senua's Saga: Hellblade II[edit]

Has anyone played this game and can replace the badly written plot summary in the Wikipedia article? Or should elements of this oldid not have been removed? Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sands of Destruction[edit]

So, this has been long gestating, but I've had an interest in improving the article for the Imageepoch Nintendo DS title Sands of Destruction. And having looked over it, there's an article for an associated anime that has just three references. In the research I've been doing, it appears Sands of Destruction is some kind of multimedia project across a game, anime and manga, but there isn't a whole lot of information on stuff outside the game. I'm tempted to merge the anime article into the game in the future since there doesn't seem to be much notability surrounding the anime. Opinions? ProtoDrake (talk) 22:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sergecross73:, since they did recent work on the article and collected a number of sources. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ProtoDrake:I don't see any issues merging the anime adaptation article into the game article. I say go for it! Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would oppose merging it, as the anime has reviews in The Escapist and Anime News Network. It also appears in the Anime Encyclopedia, meaning it passes GNG as a standalone page. The article's lack of content appears to be strictly a surmountable problem. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm: While it may pass GNG, there's barely any information about its development beyond a single paragraph, and from what I've gathered a lot of its story simply repeats the game. I wrote the question/request above knowing about the two reviews. And that's it, just two, plus little to no Japanese coverage. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to check Dengeki before saying there's "barely any development information". I found this interview already, and this one, and there's a metric ton of articles to sort through on the anime and related franchise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was including those. It appears we've hit another Trauma Center impasse. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why a standalone article is needed if RS coverage is limited. It seems rather clearly that the anime is supplementary to the game. OceanHok (talk) 10:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposed to there being a merge, as it does seem like they are supplementary. It seems like a good comparison would be the fact that a lot of manga and anime are a single article because it is the most beneficial way to discuss them both. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also the fact that at least one of the sources Zxcvbnm brought up seems to talk about the game as much or more than the anime, and both game and anime share a voice cast and theme song writers. They're deeply intertwined. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The anime has significant reception. It has development information in Japanese. The only argument left is that "one is based on the other", but I don't see people shouting from the rooftops that The Last of Us (TV series) should be merged. Things can be interlinked and exist independently of one another. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm: Comparing Sands of Destruction anime and The Last of Us TV feels like apples and oranges in this instance, they're barely comparable. And you're missing the point: yes there's information, but not that much compared to something like Nier: Automata Ver1.1a. Having done searching, all the information could be (without verbiage and bloating) summarised into two paragraphs. Three, tops. --ProtoDrake (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Come on, don't make OSE arguments like that... Sergecross73 msg me 12:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sergecross73: Was that directed to me or Zxcvbnm? If it was me, I apologise. --ProtoDrake (talk) 12:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Zx with his Last of Us comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 12:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm:All that information can be easily included in the game's main article without much issue. Worse would be having all that information being flat out removed. Roberth Martinez (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fully support merging the anime article. It's been nothing but plot summary and basic release info since its inception. If I recall correctly, it was supposed to be a big multimedia project, but kind of fizzled out when the game had had mixed critical and commercial reception. It can always be spun back out if someone ever bothers to write a real article about it.
Separate from that, yes, a few years back, I was going to rewrite the game article. I found a bunch of sources and did some basic cleanup, but ultimately abandoned it - just got sidetracked and never returned to it. While I'm working on other projects right now, I can still help with little stuff some if it's being cleaned up. Sergecross73 msg me 12:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a good question is this: @Zxcvbnm: - if the anime article did stay separate, would you have an interest in improving it and bringing it to a higher standard than it's at now? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I think that's neither here nor there, that argument is basically a form of "nobody's working on it" complaint. As it states, "Content shouldn't be removed just because no one has improved it yet; that would prevent editors from improving it in the future." I may feel like improving it, I may not, but if it is merged, there wouldn't be an article there to fix and I almost certainly wouldn't bother out of concern it would just be merged again and the effort lost. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that's the thing, we're not proposing that the content be deleted, we're proposing that the content that is there works best as part of the video game article. As ProtoDrake pointed out, a lot of the sourcing for the anime is directly tied to the video game, making it a good fit for it. If there were size concerns, maybe splitting could be an option, but it seems better to have one strong article that covers the two deeply interconnected topics instead of one strong article and one weak article. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The invocation of that essay is also erroneous. It's an argument to avoid that "no one is working on it," yes, but that's not my argument: my argument is that no one is working on it and that it would be better represented as part of a larger subject. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move of Ph1Lza[edit]

I have just opened an RM of whether Ph1Lza should be renamed to Philza. This is located at Talk:Ph1Lza#Requested_move_25_May_2024 so please respond there and not here. JuniperChill (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to the Homeworld Series page a Homeworld Mobile link along with Build Materials Lists and other information.[edit]

The Homeworld Mobile gamers want a site they can find locations of Blueprints, costs, and prerequisites as well as lists of Ship/item material quantities used to build them. I've begun putting this together but it is very preliminary right now.

I do not know how to make the proper edits within Wikipedia and very much need help in this regard. 3xTr3m3Sn1p3r (talk) 04:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of information is not appropriate for inclusion on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a game guide. See: WP:NOTGAMEGUIDE. I am not familiar with the game or its community, so I do not know the best recommendation for other wikis, but perhaps you can check out the Homeworld Mobile Wiki or the Homeworld Wiki at Fandom. NOTGAMEGUIDE also suggests that Wikibooks might allow it, though I am not familiar with Wikibooks and its guidelines, so I cannot offer further advice there. Fan communities, such as those on Reddit, may also have a sense of what is a better venue to house this information. It cannot be housed on Wikipedia, however, because it is overly detailed information that is not necessary to handling the subject from an encyclopedic perspective, and it will be immediately removed if you attempt to add it to the articles. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 04:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much 😀 3xTr3m3Sn1p3r (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solicitation for help on a split discussion[edit]

There is a stalled split discussion at Talk:War Thunder#Request to move the leak list into its own page. It started over 8 months ago and I still can't quite call it. More eyes would be beneficial in order to end the discussion. Thanks. HarryKernow (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help request for Game Boy GAN[edit]

Hi, this is a request for help on the GAN for the Game Boy. A message on my talk page about the Vinland Saga brought home that my GA reviewing ability has taken a nosedive (the page will probably be heading for GAR). I think my life at present isn't...stable enough for me to do a proper job with GANs, or much else. Can someone else help me with this review, as it's a large article with a lot of issues. ProtoDrake (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fwiw, there's a big difference from the review of Game Boy that you are currently doing and the one that was quick passed at Vinland Saga. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would probably suggest failing the Game Boy article and pushing it to a Peer Review at this point given how major an article it is. There seems to be a lot of problems throughout, and more than a GAN can feasibly address it feels like.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (May 20 to May 26)[edit]

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{{PCGamingWiki}} seems strange to have, no? It reminded me of the AfD on the GameFAQs template. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But at the same time we still have {{MobyGames}} & co. IceWelder [✉] 22:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:WHATABOUTX (or even "WP:ALLORNOTHING") about MobyGames also came up in that discussion. Does linking to a page on PCGamingWiki mean the reader gets a greater understanding of the subject? Their wiki onBioShock Infinite for instance is great if you want to skip the introduction video, add a Turkish fan translation or disable lens flare effects, but how does that help the general reader? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article links to Template:Table row counter[edit]

Around 69 video game articles have a note saying "This number is always up to date by this script."[2] Two articles use {{Games list counter}} which automatically adds the note and links itself instead of Template:Table row counter. It's odd to show and explain a template to readers like this, the link may fail in reusers, and "script" is misleading since it usually implies JavaScript running in the user's browser. {{Table row counter}} is used in 376 articles [3] but only linked in 70.[4] All are about video games except List of music festivals in the Netherlands. I see a point in telling readers and editors that it's always up to date but I suggest to just say "This number is automatically updated" with no link. Interested editors can easily find the used template in the wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of indie video games that didn't get much secondary coverage?[edit]

I would like to contribute by making pages for a few independent role-playing games that didn't get a whole lot of coverage: Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, Helen's Mysterious Castle, and Crystal Project. I'm new to making new Wikipedia pages, and because these games did not get much coverage in the press, I'm concerned they may not meet the notability guidelines, even though I (subjectively) see them as representing interesting ideas in game design.

Does anybody have advice for me? I've created an initial draft for Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, if that helps to get the conversation started. Jhilgard (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimately, if something doesn't meet notability guidelines, then it can't have an article. It is a hard line, unfortunately. That said, you may be able to find enough about these games- it really just takes a few articles that are specifically about the game to meet the guidelines, assuming that they're broad enough that you can actually write about the subject. A good tool is the WPVG custom google search, though it doesn't catch everything. I see that for Potato Flowers there's a paywalled RPS review and a PocketTactics review (not the best site, but we're getting somewhere), and NintendoLife has a short preview. That's pretty on the edge there in terms of content, even once added to what you already have, but if you dig through google you may be able to find enough. You can see what sites have been determined to be reliable or unreliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. Helen's Mysterious Castle and Crystal Project, unfortunately, seem to have gotten even less attention. --PresN 18:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have learnt it from when I tried to make Draft:Sun Haven. I never knew such a popular farm sim game (which has 14,000 steam reviews) has little coverage in reliable sources. In fact, I could only really find one reliable source at PCGames N and that is only a short four paragraph early access review. I thought I could use sources not located at VG/S (If i am reading this correcly, sources outside VG/S are presumed to be unreliable). A similar situation with Draft:Gorilla Tag's 18,000 reviews. I have since gone ahead and took a pause from Sun Haven and creating new articles until had the opportunity to create/ Coffee Talk Episode 2 exactly one year after release, and even made it on its way to WP:DYK. I am no longer considering editing Sun Haven until the major 1.4 update is out or its on the switch for this reason. So I would not even start making your draft until you could locate at least three reliable sources.
Also, you should link to your draft at Draft:Potato Flowers in Full Bloom JuniperChill (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"sources outside VG/S are presumed to be unreliable" - not quite; the sources listed at VG/S are just those that have had discussions about them. If a source isn't listed, it could still be reliable, but you'd have to justify it yourself if questioned. If it's a videogame-focused source, it probably isn't reliable if its not listed there, but that's because most reliable sources get brought up there sooner or later so that we have a written record to point to later to in later discussions/nominations. --PresN 19:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is correct. Also, as WP:VG/S mentions, it mostly just documents video game-centric websites. There's tons of general interest publications - for example - the Washington Post - that would be considered usable even though its not listed. The list would be massive (and be redundant to WP:RSP if we included every reliable source.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok then. I was mostly correct. But I actually found just one proper review from TheGamer "News posts and original content after August 2020 are considered generally reliable." which means its safe but would still fail my criteria for notability as it needs three. There is currently a discussion on whether GameLuster is reliable on VG/s. JuniperChill (talk) 20:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I know some editors, myself included, have a running list of article ideas (and sources for writing them) kept in their WP:SANDBOX, and when they think they have enough coverage to meet the WP:GNG and avoid any WP:MERGEREASONs, they try to write up a WP:DRAFT and see if they have enough to warrant publishing an article. You can run drafts through WP:AFC for review, or share them hear and editors specifically into video games can give their thoughts.
My two cents: while the GNG only requires 2 third party reliable sources to cover a subject, usually WP:THREE or more present a stronger argument. I'd also recommend familiarizing yourself with WP:VG/S, as we've already gathered a rather huge selection of sources that are generally seen as usable or not-usable. Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking the policy is that Wikipedia is not an advertising tool, even if you are a fan who wants to advertise the game because you think it deserves to be bigger. The game must already be "big", rather than counting on Wikipedia to popularize it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's understandable, and I think that gets at the core of what I'm working through, here. I wonder if there might be more coverage in the Japanese web, but I don't read Japanese. Thanks. Jhilgard (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that notability is a rebuttable presumption. You may be able to pull out three sources to illustrate notability for a standalone but if that leads to a short stubby article that has no possible expansion possibilities (a game developed 5+ years ago without further coverage outside a short window) it will probably be sent to deletion. On the other hand, 3 sources for a game released last month should be fine for some time. Masem (t) 16:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do feel your pain Jhilgard, there's a lot of cool successful indie games out there that receive little/no reliable source coverage. Unfortunately if the coverage doesn't, exist there's not a whole lot we can do here on Wikipedia. For Crystal Project specifically (I'm a fan of that game myself) I researched it previously and concluded there wasn't enough coverage for an article. CurlyWi (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for sharing your experience, CurlyWi. It's an interesting tension between "notable" in the Wikipedia sense and "notable" in the game design sense. I suppose we've each got a head start if ever there are enough secondary sources regarding these games. Jhilgard (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty shocked Crystal Project isn't notable, honestly. It feels like exactly the type of game that's gotten just enough traction for an article here even if it's still somewhat on the less known side, if only for comparisons to other games. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 05:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's difficult to establish notability for games that are only released on a single platform. Once it's ported, it usually picks up a Switch review from Nintendo Life, a PlayStation review from Push Square, and a Windows review from PC Gamer or Rock Paper Shotgun (or maybe even both). One "cheat" is to check for reviews on IGN affiliates. IGN France, IGN Italy, and IGN Greece post reviews for European indie games a lot more often than the main English-language site. Eurogamer has affiliates in other languages, too, but it's harder to search them. Don't forget to check French, German, Italian, and Polish sources, especially if the game was developed in Europe. It helps if you know a few reliable sources to check other than the obvious ones, like PC Games and Jeuxvideo. For example, you might check Heise.de for a German game. Finally, you can check unreliable sources, such as TV Tropes or MobyGames, for information that may help you refine your searches. For example, people on the IMDb or whatever may keep mentioning a gameplay element that they really liked. If you include that gameplay element in your web searches, it may help refine your searches and make it easier to spot reviews that also mention it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This may explain why Sun Haven is not on Metacrtic yet. It is currently only on Windows platform. However, they (Pixel Sprout Studios - the developer and publisher) are on its way to release this onto the switch alongside the large update. I think I finally get one of the reasons why Sun Haven cannot make its way onto Wikipedia yet which (like I said earlier) I do not plan to create it until it makes it onto the Switch or the new update. JuniperChill (talk) 09:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have much constructive advice to add, but I want to encourage you to cover some of these indie games. The project definitely needs it. And Metacritic can be a good place to look for games that might hit this threshold. It's something special when a small game can earn coverage in reliable sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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