Category talk:People with schizoid personality disorder

Validity
The list relies mostly on frantic psychiatric evaluations done by incompetent court psychologists for criminals who likely did not have schizoid personality disorder, as a schizoid person is highly unlikely to be violent unless provoked by another comorbid mental illness. Furthermore, the only non-criminal in this list is Jack Kerouac, who throughout his life showed valid signs of SPD (noncomformity, reduced emotional display, etc.). Most of the entries in this present list should go under the "antisocial personality disorder" category, as the entries are likely due to a misconception popularized in Stephen King's book The Shining that "schizoid" means "antisocial". In reality, a schizoid person has an indifference towards society, whereas an antisocial person has a general contempt and disregard for people. Olgama Alen (talk) 03:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Additionally, I believe that if the page is to continue existing despite these issues, there should be a heavy disclaimer about how notable people with schizoid personality disorder are likely to be 1) successful in life (very uncommon for the disorder) and therefore not inclined to seek diagnosis (hence their general absence) or 2) evaluated for the purposes of a trial or other legal reasons.
 * Also, Gollum's inclusion is based on a joke article. 172.59.96.114 (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is all just a mix of your opinions and incorrect information. Firstly, how did you come to the conclusion the diagnosing psychologists were incompetent? Also, many in this category were not diagnosed by court psychologists: Gary M. Heidnik, Leonard Lake and Roy Norris were diagnosed while in the military. James B. Clark Jr., Gregorian Bivolaru and Johann Nelböck were diagnosed in mental institutions. Jeffrey Dahmer and Stephen Shaun Griffiths were diagnosed in prison. Mateus da Costa Meira and Lee Harvey Oswald were diagnosed while in school. I'm sure their evaluations were based on the psychologists' years of training and experience rather than a Stephen King novel. Also, Cornelius Gurlitt (art collector) and Shawn Woolley are not criminals, so you're incorrect that Jack Kerouac is the only one in this category who isn't a criminal. None of the entries here should be placed in the 'people with antisocial personality disorder' category unless you can cite a reliable source confirming they were diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Baronet13 (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Concerns about ethics/ Addition of subcategory
Concerns about stigmatization of the disorder and the addition of a "figures with marked symptoms category" to try to ameriollate it. Institutionalman (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Most of the entries refer to criminals, and althought there is a possible relationship between Schizoid Personality Disorder(szpd) and violence,there is also the possibility that violence may stem from certain comorbidities, it must also be noted that the first study has its conclusions based on inmates, so this conclusions may not correspond to the general population.
 * With the information given above I think it would be appropiate to add a "figures with marked symptoms" category as in the [Https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transtorno&#x20;de&#x20;personalidade&#x20;esquizoide portuguese version] of the szpd page has in história: "Alguns psiquiatras consideraram esquizoides (ou, pelo menos, como tendo "marcados sintomas") personalidades como Ludwig Wittgenstein, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein ou Theodore Kaczynski."  Institutionalman (talk) 03:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)