Category talk:Self-declared messiahs

Inclusion of Jesus
On 1/6, an editor added the following: Do not include figures where there is a broad tradition of such belief such as Jesus. However, Jesus is in this category currently. Should we remove the language in the category about not including those with a "broad tradition" of belief, or should we remove Jesus from the category? janejellyroll 01:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is "broad tradition of belief" is rather subjective and it would be more in keeping with NPOV to just remove the restrictions on the category added on 1/6. janejellyroll 01:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I'm doing that now. JoshuaZ 20:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Others?
What about Menachem Mendel Schneerson? What about David Koresh? Did these guys self-declare? If they did not, they sure came awfully close.--Filll 19:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What about Wallace Fard?Ericl (talk) 22:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Overlapping categories
High-five to the editors of List of messiah claimants. It's a good model for how the various self-claimed deity categories ought to be organized. I'm hoping someone less busy than me will undertake the task of organzing the overlap. --TheEditrix2 15:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Weasel Words
"Self-declared messiahs are people who have declared themselves as a figure of divine salvation." The word "of" is a weasel word enabling an author to avoid defining messiah. A figure of could refer to a person who claimed he was saved by God. "Divine" is also a weasel word here. What does it mean? Anointed by God or God Himself? Probably what should be said is something like, "A Savior figure who claims to be either God, a god, or a person merely anointed by God." (EnochBethany (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC))