Talk:Şahkulu rebellion

Opening heading
Takabeg (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "rebellion of Shah Kulu" -Llc 5
 * "Shah Kulu rebellion" -Llc 4
 * "Şah Kulu rebellion" -Llc 0
 * "Şahkulu rebellion" -Llc 0
 * "mutiny of Shah Kulu" 1
 * "revolt of Shah Kulu" -Llc 1
 * Şahkulu is not a proper noun and I don't rigorously insist using the word şah. But the rule in WP:Titles is; If there are too few English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject. Since there are no more than 5 sources in search engine, we can't refer to an established usage in English. So I think Şahkulu is more concenient in this case. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Şahkulu Rebellion → Shah Kulu rebellion – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH


 * "Şah Kulu rebellion" -Llc 0
 * "Şahkulu rebellion" -Llc 0

As long as I understand, there are "common" names in English. But it's very clear that


 * "rebellion of Shah Kulu" -Llc 5
 * "Shah Kulu rebellion" -Llc 4

are better than original research. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 08:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I see nothing wrong with the current Turkish spelling Şahkulu being used. A 2-word spelling "Shah Kulu" looks like "a shah named Kulu", which he was not. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If here were Turkish Wikipedia, we could (maybe must) chose Şahkulu İsyanı.

in modern Turkish:


 * "Şahkulu" -Llc (1300 results)
 * "Şah Kulu" -Llc (746 results)

But in English:
 * "Şah Kulu" -Llc 156 results
 * "Şahkulu" -Llc 144 results (but most of results were books written in Turkish language or written by Turkish authors)
 * "Shah kulu" -Llc 76 results
 * "Shahkulu" -Llc 85 results

Takabeg (talk) 09:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose:Please refer to WP:Tiles ; If there are too few English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject. Now there are too few sources in English to constritute an established usage in of this name. So the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (Şahkulu) should be used. (By the way, in yahoo search engine 128000 Hans Christian Oerted vs 72000 Hans Christian Ørsted. But Wikipedia uses Hans Christian Ørsted the name appropriate to Danish instead of English). Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't use yahoo search engine. We use google books according to Article titles. Takabeg (talk) 08:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.