Talk:1939–1940 Winter Offensive

Early talk
I am going to add a discussion of the actions of the various War Areas to execute the offensive and the Japanese actions/reactions to them.

I have partial oob from the account too.

As big an effort as this seems to have been I am surprised it is not better known.

So what do I need to clean up?
 * As to cleanup, I would suggest first and foremost putting everything into sections instead of bolded headings; check out WP:GTL for basic layout guidelines. Also, the code on the wikilinks is incorrect. Hope this helps! UnDeadGoat 17:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think this battle showed that the Chinese army was not ready to take the offensive and had a better chance of waging positional battles. BlueShirts  23:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Difficult to read
This is a really difficult article to read. I think the editors of it should start by creating a good framework to build off of. Oberiko 14:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

User:ScorchingPhoenix
Do NOT add japanese victory unless a specific source says japanese victory, or chinese defeat. forming your own conclusion from given information from the articles is ORIGINAL RESEARCH see No original research.

Its a fact that the japanese were militarily frustrated in Suiyuan and Ningxia by Ma Hongbin, who derailed their plans for a puppet state in the area during the offensive. The japanese did NOT complete their objectives- source.Дунгане (talk) 05:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

western source Both played important roles in the defense of western Suiyuan during the Japanese campaign early in 1940 in the Wuyuan sector. General Ma Hung-pin's troops suffered heavy casualties but fought on and finally repulsed the enemy.Дунгане (talk) 07:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I eventually did find a source from a notable expert in the field, Lloyd Eastmam, who explicitly writes that the battle was a Chinese defeat (I guess Rummel's "fiasco" wasn't strong enough to convince you that the campaign was a disaster for the GMD). Stymying a massive offensive is usually considered a defeat for the defenders. Also, nowhere does Lloyd Eastman (or Rummel, or van de Van's "War and Nationalism in China") talk about the Suiyuan and Ningxia campaign, a seemingly insignificant campaign that I believe you've blown way out of proportion to create the image that the campaign was a tie. Nice independent research, though! Maybe someday you can change how history is written and write your own book and argue that the Winter Offensive was a tie (笑).Reconquista1492 (talk) 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Format your source properly with Cite book template. And the Japanese staked part of their invasion of the premise that they were going to "liberate" the muslim population in china, spreading propaganda and approaching muslim Generals. The fact that their plan to create a muslim puppet state was destroyed, and that they were defeated by a muslim general totally destroyed one of their premises for invading china. A source written by two JAPANESE experts on Islam, Hisao Komatsu, Yasushi Kosugi, stated part of the Japanese excuse for invading china was to create a muslim puppet state, is here  Дунгане (talk) 19:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

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Dates
When did this start and end?

From what I've found (not much), I've found that it started on 1 November 1939 and ended sometime in late May, only date I've seen was the 24th, of 1940. If you provide the dates, that would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnd474747 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Rename proposal
I would recommend the renaming of this article to "1939-40 Chinese Winter Offensive" as the current article name does not reflect that which party conducted this offensive. DCTT (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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