Talk:1991 Kunan Poshpora incident

Child was born with broken arm??
Iam a medical student and I know its impossible that a fetus is born with broken arm after trauma and beating.Its impossible.Child was born with a broken arm? Ever heard of birth traumas to fetus? Just imagine,baby lies in a sac of liquid amniotic fluid,any trauma would burst the sac and abortion would occur,not broken arm.Its a ridiculous allegation.Iam sure the baby has broken arm because of birth trauma,which is common especially in 1st degree contracted pelvis is present.But i dont buy the allegation which is totally ridiculous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.158.33.64 (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I am removing that allegation. It is from a primary source that can obviously be motivated. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:27, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Upon further review of the sources, I found that that it was a blatant misrepresentation of the source, I have copy edited the content as per the source, that explains the incident. thanks for reporting this on the talk page. regards.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:35, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Removed a section from aftermath section because it cited unreliable sources
I have went ahead and deleted a section from aftermath with cited reference to rising kashmir as reference which is not a reliable source for unbaised article..If anyone finds better references,please add to the aftermath section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.158.33.64 (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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The NYTimes link points to a crackdown incident in a Srinagar neighbourhood which is almost 50miles away from the villages of Kunan Poshpora that this is alleged incident is attributed to. This is a war zone, like Islamic state, with competing ideologies. DawoodMalla (talk) 20:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Recent reverts
The Content as of this revision with time stamp 16:50, 25 February 2019 is fully sourced, if someone has problem with the content then it should be discussed here. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:22, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Still whitewashing cause you are lending undue weight to unreliable speculations and unreliable statements by only some villagers while reducing facts from Human rights and government agencies; that is the issue as rightly observed by others. Read WP:UNDUE. 27.34.108.128 (talk) 12:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * content is cited to New York Times and other reliable sources. do not restore misrepresentation of sources. Please clarify which specific line is adding undue weights ? The statement by Human rights agencies have been added. we can discuss and update the article if you feel something is UNDUE. but before that you have to point the specific content out with sources. Just linking WP:UNDUE is not helping this discussion. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Nowhere New York Times is lending weight to the speculations of the villagers which you are treating as the ultimate facts of the incidents. Just because you want to make this incident look like a fabrication by the victims then go convince the scholars who believe that this was a mass rape carried out by Indian military. You are trying to whitewash Indian military here by fabricating information from the sources. 27.34.108.128 (talk) 13:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * No one is treating the statement by villagers as the ultimate facts. the incident section gives the reliably sourced information and every POV is covered with due weight to all. what is the content that you are objecting and what is your preferred version ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't need villagers statement on lead nor we need removal of the facts supporting that Indian military carried out the rapes. Why you are cherry picking villagers speculations when we have scholarly sources saying that Indian military carried out rapes? Stick to reliable sources in place of finding scapegoats to whitewash the crime. 27.34.108.128 (talk) 13:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You are again trying to push Anti-Army POV by trying to remove conflicting opinion. No one is denying that the allegations against the army have been widely covered. The article covers this POV but by removing the sources from the other side you are actually making it undue-- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Reverts by ShivSahil
ShivSahil restored a version that was written misrepresenting the sources as a WP:SOAPBOX. You are expected to share your specific concerns with evidence. You are free to disagree and raise issues here on the talk page. You should read the sources in detail first before responding. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  14:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

NYTimes source is wrongly attributed...
The NYTimes link points to a crackdown incident in a Srinagar neighbourhood which is in central Kashmir, almost 50miles away from the villages of Kunan Poshpora which is in North Kashmir.

The entire first paragraph and attribution of this alleged incident is predicated on a primary source that happens in different region. This post makes it appear, and misleads, that the primary source reporter was in Kunan poshpora. That is not true the NYTimes reporter was not anywhere near Kunan Poshpora. She was in Srinagar City. This is just hearsay. Maybe another reason foreign reporters are not allowed inside Kashmir. DawoodMalla (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

False NYTimes Source

MISLEADING INCORRECT SOURCE

The NYTimes link points to a crackdown incident in a Srinagar neighbourhood which is almost 50miles away from the villages of Kunan Poshpora that this is attributed to. DawoodMalla (talk) 20:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No, Please read the article again. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Paramilitary
The CRPF and the BSF constitute to the Central Armed Police Forces, NOT the Paramilitary Forces. BtriS (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2021
Data about this incident is decreased time to time. The reality is, more than 160 women were gang raped by security forces that day. The adminstration is taking the numbers down to erase this incident from the history. 2405:201:5503:4C2C:2857:6D1D:1F87:814E (talk) 13:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The Diplomat
Figures from a The Diplomat article were added recently here: "Around 300 army personnel raided the village, 150 girls and women were raped that night and 200 men were tortured; only 40 women who were raped stepped forward to seek justice."

It is from The Diplomat book review of Do You Remember Kunan Poshpora?, but I could not find these figures in the reviewed book itself nor find where The Diplomat's columnist Priyanka Borpujari has cited them from. Another contention here is the fact that the statement was added as absolute fact without attribution (The Diplomat itself uses phrases like "As many as" ... "nearly").

For the lack of better sources (WP:HISTRS outlines what we would be needing here, noting that while essays are not policy they are precedential guidelines and HISTRS definitively so) I removed that para especially seeing the contentious topic area (WP:ARBIPA) and article (already under EPP). We would need better sources to add the material and would need to attribute the source in-text. Gotitbro (talk) 04:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)