Talk:1994–95 South Pacific cyclone season

Violet
I could do with your thoughts on how to treat STC Violet here. Originally I excluded it as it was barely in the basin, which is consistant with how the FMS treat it in their seasonal outlooks for 2012-13, 2014-15. I am now not so sure it should be excluded since the FMS issued advisories on the system per the CPHC but am I committing OR by saying it was a part of the season?.Jason Rees (talk) 22:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * , does FMS mentions Violet as part of the season in their Best Track? If yes, then they should be included, otherwise it should not. Maybe they operationally considered it part of the season, but chaged their minds when analysing the data afterwards. It woudn't be the first case of such. ABC paulista (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no BT file from the FMS for Violet in IBTRACS but William and Vania have one, however, the question has to be asked if we are we putting to much on the FMS to include Violet as a part of the season? After all it was on the sweet spot where all 3 warning centres are interested of 25S 160.1E and has tracks from MetService & the BoM's in IBTRACS, however, on the flip side we would be making it the strongest system of the season if we were to fully put it in. Jason Rees (talk) 23:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , it could be included on a "other storms" section, as an unnofficial system tracked by agencies with no WMO-related authority over the basin. ABC paulista (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * While I dont mind including it as an other system and it would work better than giving it a full section, we have to remember that Violet was in the sweet spot where the FMS/BoM/MetService would share the WMO authority for TC's because of Norfolk Island (See Gabrielle as an example) or if you really want to be specific and use 25.0S and 160.0E then it was in Wellington's AOR.Jason Rees (talk) 13:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , oh yeah, I forgot about MetService. Do they have BTs or other data on Violet on their AoR? If they do, then yes, it's an official system for this basin and should be fully included here. I don't think that being brief is a problem, like the aforementioned Gabrielle, or 2015–16's Tatiana, for example. ABC paulista (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Appologies for not getting back to you sooner - its been a busy couple of days in my life away from Wiki. I guess when you put it like that our hands are tied, since both BoM/Wellington show that it crossed 160.0E. Not sure on gving it a full section per WP:Weight but thats a discussion for another day.Jason Rees (talk) 13:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , BoM has no bearing on this basin, they have no saying on anything that happens east of 160.0E. And FMS also has no saying on anything that happens south of 25.0S, the sole responsible for this region is MetService, only their word truly matters on this case. There are no tied hands, if MetService considers that Violet existed east of 160.0E and south of 25.0S, than it's a official cyclone for this season and should be included on the totals, otherwise it shouldn't. The issue for me is that I couldn't find a direct source for MetService's Best Track, and I'm not really sure if we can source it through IBTrACS, or if it falls on WP:TERTIARY. ABC paulista (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not gonna get into a debate with you over the warning centres AOR & who has a say over what, but will state that you need to remember that things are not as cut and dry as you like to think they are. After all the SPAC does not start/stop at 160E, but we define it that way since there are now 3 numbering schemes. As for the BT thing, there is no publically available BT from the FMS/MetService apart from through BoM, IBTRACS and SPEARTC apart from whats put in their summuaries. There are probably several reasons for this including a lack of named TC's, Fiji's political struggles, money and a general lack of research into the SHEM over the years.Jason Rees (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The boundaries are as clear as cut as they can be, because the regions are cleanly divided by the WMO and they don't overlap with each other, so there isn't information conflict between designated agencies inside a AoR since each have its own one. What is supported by the RSMC/TCWC designated by the WMO is official, and vice-versa, the structure devised by the WMO is simple as that. About the sourcing issue, I'll look further into it, but I think I found a source containing the MetService's Best Track. Confirmed, it can be used for this case and other similar ones. ABC paulista (talk) 21:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)