Talk:1995 European Grand Prix

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Images
Regarding the lack of freely-licensed images, would it be preferable to use fair use images? I could always scan and upload some from the two annuals I have.-- Midgrid  (talk)  16:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason I haven't inserted fair use images is because of comments at: Featured article candidates/1995 Japanese Grand Prix - where Fair Use images were rejected as "it's presence does not significantly increase my understanding of the topic, and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding"; I think a Fair Use image here would not increase the understanding, thus a free use image is prefered. This had never been a problem in any of the other articles (Pacific and Japan got through with free images) - its generally known that if free-use images of the event are not available then use general-free use images. D.M.N. (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. It's just that 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, 1994 Australian Grand Prix, 1997 European Grand Prix and 2007 Canadian Grand Prix contain FU images of extremely important events (Senna's crash, Schumacher-Hill collision, Schumacher-Villeneuve collision and Kubica's crash respectively).  I wonder if any events in the 1995 season would meet these criteria?--  Midgrid  (talk)  19:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly Schumacher/Hill from Britain and Italy, but apart from that probably none others. D.M.N. (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the image situation is fine as is, and I think you'd have trouble justifying the inclusion of a fair use image. Aptery  gial  14:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Apterygial
As promised, here are my impressions looking over the article. Note that the majority of these comments are points I think could be a problem at FAC, not necessarily problems I had reading the article.


 * Lead
 * He then spun off the track on lap 58 when running in fourth position, retiring from the race in the process. Minor point, but when I read this I imagined him retiring at the same time his car was spinning off the track, while in reality he would have retired after. How about He then spun off the track on lap 58 when running in fourth position, leading to his retirement.?
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The points situation given in the lead seems fine to me, I don't know if that's because you added some info after the GAN.
 * The only bit I added was about the Constructors' title after the GAN. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I generally pipe points to List of Formula One World Championship pointscoring systems.
 * I'm not sure why I really need to, its not like the points system is overly complicated to understand and doesn't add anything to it. D.M.N. (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's useful if you want to know how the points were handed out, that's all. It's not earth shatteringly useful, I'll admit, but useful nonetheless. Aptery  gial  14:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Link pit stop here once and once in the body.
 * Done. But I've kept it lined twice in the body is because I've linked it when I say "pit lane" as there is no such are on pit lane. (unless that link magically turns blue soon!) ;) D.M.N. (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Background
 * I'm wondering, if we say Drivers' Championship and Constructors' Championship, should we say World Championship instead of world championship?
 * It probably should be capitals. Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Gabriele Tarquini replaced Ukyo Katayama at Tyrrell; the Japanese driver... I got a couple of comments at 2008 Japanese Grand Prix's FAC about refering to drivers by nationality. Try Gabriele Tarquini replaced Ukyo Katayama at Tyrrell; the latter driver...
 * Removed "Japanese driver", simply added "latter". D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...leaving Mark Blundell without a drive for 1996. How about without a contract?
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * P+Q
 * The drivers, of whom only Berger and Brundle had raced at Nürburgring in an F1 car before. Maybe instead of F1 car have Formula One car.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Schumacher described it as "dull" and "easy to learn, with no real challenges" and Coulthard predicted a processional race without much overtaking. Looking forward to this year's GP? ;)
 * Not really. (unless Ferrari win). D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Both sessions lasted 1 hour and 45 minutes with weather conditions dry in the first session; but wet for the second session. That semi-colon should be a comma, I think.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...the Portuguese Grand Prix. Overlink, same with McLaren and Mika Häkkinen in the next sentence.
 * Fixed. I've actually just changed that as Hakkinen is introduced earlier, so the 1st name is unnecessary. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...both three and a half seconds off the pace. This could be construed as a quaint motorsport way of saying ...both three and a half seconds off Hill's fastest lap. I'd recommend changing it.
 * changed to "both three and a half seconds off the fastest lap time". D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The time he set in the second part of qualifying was still slower than Coulthard and Hill's time set in the first part, and thus he was third quickest overall. Someone less F1 literate than me might disagree, but I find this sentence fairly redundant. You've already explained the regs, so it should be clear from that and the previous sentence why he was only third. Maybe that's just me.
 * I'd rather keep this in to make it 100% ambiguous and so no one is left confused. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * On the home ground of McLaren's engine supplier, Mercedes, the team opted to amalgamate the "B" and "C" versions of its troublesome MP4/10 chassis, with a rear end and gearbox from the former, but Häkkinen and Blundell could only qualify in ninth and tenth places respectively. Do you feel the first part of this sentence would be better in background? Presumably they used the same amalgamation in practice as well.
 * I think so. I've decided to put that bit, plus the bit about the FW17 into the background section. I'll see if the magazines/annuals has have any more bits on upgrades. (thanks Midgrid!) D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Tarquini qualified in nineteenth position, four places behind team-mate Salo, but admitted to feeling rusty by F1 standards. Why not say Formula One?
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, got a better word than rusty?
 * "uncomfortable" maybe? D.M.N. (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Rusty" is the precise word used by Autocourse, but perhaps "out-of-practice" would be better?-- Midgrid  (talk)  13:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Autocourse can get away with more editorialising than we can. "out-of-practice" seems fine. Aptery  gial  14:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 16:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * With only the latter able to challenge Schumacher for the championship, the question of Williams team orders was raised. There's that Championship problem again.
 * I really don't think it needs to be capitalled here as we are not making it "part of a championship name term" like "World, Drivers' and Constructors' Championship". I don't think it needs to be capitalized. D.M.N. (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Race
 * The track surface for the race start was initially damp, but dried up as it progressed. Maybe The track surface for the start was damp, but dried up as the race progressed.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Several drivers went off during the session due to the wet track conditions. Off the track?
 * Changed. Also removed the second "track" after "wet" as it would be redundant. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Williams opted to race its FW17B chassis for the first time, as it had proved so effective during qualifying for this and the previous Grand Prix. The last part of this sentence is clumsy and needs revising. Maybe ...as it had proved effective during qualifying and the previous Grand Prix.
 * I've removed this sentence entirely due to an addition I've made in the background. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The race was scheduled to start at 14:00 CEST, but Papis stalled his Footwork car in the starting lights procedure, resulting in the start being aborted with a new start time of 14:05 CEST. Fairly irrelevant point for my own self-indulgence: really? That results in a race start delay?
 * Yes? Again, I'd prefer it 100% ambiguous so the layman would be able to understand it. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting you remove it, but I was a little surprised it happened. Aptery  gial  14:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. D.M.N. (talk) 16:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hill, who started alongside Coulthard, had a bad start and was overtaken by Schumacher in the rundown to the first corner. Should be run down.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * both were given ten-second stop-and-go penalty in the early stages of the race for these misdemeanours. Should be penalties.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that according to WP:MOSNUM, numbers lower than 10 should be spelt out, and greater than 10 in numerals.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Berger and the McLarens moved back up the leading order as drivers made a pit stop for slick tyres.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mark Blundell, commenting on his McLaren race. Hmmm. He's either commenting on his McLaren or his race, but not his McLaren race.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * re-overtook would be better as re-passed.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd pipe stint to the terminology page.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...and link fastest lap to Fastest lap.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ...overtaking the Frenchman on the outside of the chicane on lap 65. Same nationality issue as earlier with Katayama.
 * changed to "him". D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hill, spectating from the side of the track, applauded Schumacher's win; the German attempted to stop his car to give his rival a lift back to the pits, but was unable to due to a slipping clutch. I reckon spectating should be watching. On a related note, do you reckon Schumacher would even try to give Hill a lift now?
 * Fixed. Yeah, he probably would they have kissed and made up since back then! ;) D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not super keen on the term sandwiched in an encyclopedia.
 * Reworded. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Post-race
 * In Schumacher's box-quote, I think you should have it For me, it is fantastic to win the German Grand Prix, the Belgian Grand Prix and the Monaco Grand Prix [this year] as well as this race in Germany. Just for clarity's sake.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The race result entailed that he needed only three more points from the three remaining races of the season to win the Drivers' Championship whilst Hill would have to win all three anyway to maintain his challenge, effectively meaning that the championship was over. This sentence needs some work. Something like: Schumacher's win meant he needed only three more points from the remaining races of the season to win the Drivers' Championship, whilst Hill would have to win all three Grands Prix, effectively meaning that the Championship was over.
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't help but feel that the overlap here with Brundle's comment (in one of the other 1995 GP articles) is a bit out of place in this article, looking forward while Post-race should be looking back.
 * Hmm, possibly. I think it is relevant though to the post-race section, I'm not too keen on removing it. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's your call. What do you think, Midgrid? Aptery  gial  14:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Alesi, despite his performance in the early stages of the race, was also criticised by some for losing the lead in the final few laps after letting Schumacher gain time on him during the latter's final stint. How about Alesi, despite his performance in the early stages of the race, was also criticised by some for losing his lead after letting Schumacher gain time on him in the final laps.?
 * changed. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the IOC?
 * International Olympic Committee. Linked. D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hope that all helps. Aptery gial  13:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! =D D.M.N. (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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