Talk:2001 Japan Airlines mid-air incident

correcting incorrect comparison
Last July 31, an anonymous contributor added a comparison saying that had the collision not been averted, it would have been the deadliest aircraft accident since the Tenerife disaster. This is obviously incorrect, since it's stated multiple times in the article that 677 people would probably have been killed, and the death toll in the Tenerife disaster was 583. Even including the 61 survivors in Tenerife doesn't bring the total to 677. I'm not at all sure that it's even relevant to include the comparison to Tenerife here -- the primary contributor to this article apparently didn't think so -- and if someone concludes it should be deleted entirely, I won't object.Paleolith (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It would have been the deadliest, surpassing Tenerife. So the comparison is incorrect, as Tenerife would not have had as many deaths as this midair. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the claims about deadliest accident as original research. If nothing else, there would need to be a source that states definitively that all aboard both aircraft would have died had there been a collision (not a guaranteed result of a mid-air. See Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907). For posterity, and in case someone finds the such a source, here are the statements I removed. From the lede:
 * "Had both planes collided, it would have become the worst air disaster in history."
 * From the Mid-air incident section
 * "If the collision had occurred, it would have been the deadliest civil aviation accident in history in terms of passenger lives, surpassing the Tenerife disaster in which two Boeing 747s collided on a runway and killed 583 people in 1977. It also would have been the deadliest mid-air collision, surpassing the 1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision in which 349 people were killed."107.10.43.91 (talk) 22:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, going by evidence of the Mid-air incident, it would be a miracle if anybody on both flight would survive, Flight 907 would be cut in two by Flight 958, the Nose would either break-up or nosedive, which would be near impossible to survive either, the tail would continue flying, stall and fall back into the ground, likely no survivors. Flight 958 would be damaged in the collision, and the Cockpit would either be destroyed or damaged considering the collision through the fuselarge of Flight 907, without control, the destroyed nose would decompress and crash. There would be no way survival on any Aircraft could occur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.214.71 (talk) 15:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * http://www.stripes.com/01/feb01/ed020201g.html
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 * In 2001 Japan Airlines mid-air incident on 2011-06-10 07:26:44, 404 /01/feb01/ed020201g.html

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 * http://www.stripes.com/01/feb01/ed020301i.html
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 * In 2001 Japan Airlines mid-air incident on 2011-06-10 07:26:55, 404 /01/feb01/ed020301i.html

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 * http://www.icao.int/ICDB/HTML/English/Representative%20Bodies/Air%20Navigation%20Commission/Working%20Papers%20by%20Year/2002/AN.2002.WP.7760.EN/AN.2002.WP.7760.REP.EN.HTM
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 * http://www.atcaj.or.jp/ifatca-rm/working%20papers/Japan%20Report.doc
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 * http://www.oananews.org/news.open.php?open=1&nid=409449
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 * http://news.aol.com/story/_a/not-guilty-verdict-revoked-2-air/n20080411044109990002?ecid=RSS0001
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 * http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20080412p2a00m0na013000c.html
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--JeffGBot (talk) 07:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Additional documents
http://jtsb.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/aircraft/download/pdf2/AI09-1-2-JA8904-JA8020.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/65hHiYePS WhisperToMe (talk) 04:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Pilots actions mis-interpreted
"Watanabe avoided disaster when he abruptly forced the aircraft to dive based on a visual judgment."

This is completely incorrect and the citation given (BBC News) says nothing of the kind.

907 descended in response to an incorrect ATC responded and ignored the TCAS, continuing to descend. 957 was correctly descending in response to the RA from the TCAS and at the last minute became aware that 907 was also descended and *pulled up*.

This is quite clear in the accident report. I understand there is conflict between the mistakes made by ATC and mistakes made by the pilot of 907 but it is quite clear that 907's descent never contributed to "avoiding disaster".

I'm not sure I can face rewriting the full article but I have removed that reference as completely incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AkaSylvia (talk • contribs) 13:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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