Talk:2005 Bolivian general election

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Might as well be the one that pops the cherry of the discussion page. Can't believe it took so long to get an article about this really important election in Bolivia. Particularly because 1)It's being held today 2)the biggest issue, nationalization of the hydrocarbon industry, can have a profound effect on the world, 3)the election reflects the political climate in Latin America which is heading leftward and 4)if Morales wins the plurality and the Congress doesn't vote him in it could me serious demonstrations that would blow the lid off of the previous Gas Wars. Anyway, can some wikipedians possibly find some pictures of Morales and Quiroga on the campaign trail. Hopefully more of this stuff gets added after the results come in, that should be interesting considering the Congress is likely going to choose.-Jersey Devil 00:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also important because it could profoundly change the way the the United States deals with Latin America. It's hard to imagine how the US would deal with a country that rejects the free market and legalizes coca production, seeing as the two main things that the US is trying to do in Latin America is open up the markets and clamp down on drugs.  This should be very interesting. --Descendall 00:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

coca production and use has very strong cultural roots in Bolivia, I'm not surprised at all by Morales' stance on this point...

haelyn 18:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, Morales has also said that he is hoping to keep bilateral relations with the U.S......we'll see how good that works out hehehe. Maybe if he wins the plurality the Congress will go with the vote the U.S will try and bring substantial support to the Santa Cruz regionalists. Nice "results chart" addition by the way.-Jersey Devil 01:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * We'll see how long the State Department can go without using the word "narco state." I give it 18 hours. --Descendall 02:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Great article. I had remembered to put it in current events, and I see that article now links here. Maybe it is no bad thing to reduce US presence in Latin America? I think the Brazil/Argentina decisions to end indebtedness to the IMF is good, while Chavez has certainly opened the way for Morales to be a possibility. I think it is possible to like Chavez's Latin American patriotism without liking his socialist ideas. Perhaps Morales will also put pressure on the States and Europe to reduce cocaine demand in their regions (which is absolutely at the root of the problem) because the coca/cocaine problem needs to be sorted. Yes, certainly a very important election, with ramifications throughout the American mainland, SqueakBox 02:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I think Bolivia would get a lot of support from certain other SA nations if the US did start getting very belligerent quickly toward Bolivia. I imagine how Brazil would act would be very importaqnt in such a situation. Not really imaginable to see an Iraq style invasion of Bolivia from the US mostly because of its situation but also because it would make certain other South American nations very angry. So I really hope the US are not stupid enough to do so a thing, SqueakBox 02:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Results Chart
I did my best to translate the names of the parties on the results chart, but I was working off of a Spanish source, and I do not speak Spanish fluently (soy gringo). If someone who speaks both Enligsh and Spanish fluently could check my translation out, I'd appreciate it. The parties, as registered with the Electoral Court, are as follows:

FREPAB: FRENTE PATRIOTICO AGROPECUARIO DE BOLIVIA

MAS: MOVIMIENTO AL SOCIALISMO

MIP: MOVIMIENTO INDIGENA PACHAKUTI

MNR: MOVIMIENTO NACIONALISTA REVOLUCIONARIO

NFR: NUEVA FUERZA REPUBLICANA

PODEMOS: PODER DEMOCRATICO Y SOCIAL

UN: FRENTE DE UNIDAD NACIONAL

USTB: UNION SOCIAL DE LOS TRABAJADORES DE BOLIVIA

--Descendall 01:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

All translations are accurate (I'm a native Spanish speaker)

haelyn 18:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Name of article and nature of elections
I'm not sure, but I think that there are senatorial elections today also. Should we move this to "Bolivian general election, 2005?" --Descendall 01:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Some legislative elections occurred today to, but for the Chilean election article there are two articles for the legislative and presidential elections. So I just went by that when creating this article. So it is really up to you if you want to do that I guess. Anyway Quiroga just conceded Check out this BBC link and it seems that Morales is indeed going to be the next President of Bolivia. Quiroga has long said that he wouldn't accept the Presidency if he didn't win the plurality.-Jersey Devil 02:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * There have been elections for both houses of the National Congress of Bolivia - the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies. If no candidate in the Presidential election has an absolute majority, the newly-elected Congress apparently elects from the two leading candidates. Whilst Qurioga has said he won't accept the Presidency, I'm not sure what happens if Senators and Deputies ignore this and vote him in anyway (and that doesn't seem inconcievable to me). Gregg 02:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I would have thought a crisis followed by a collapse of governemnt is what would happen, SqueakBox 02:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Gregg, sorta the same thing happened with Mesa. He wanted to resign but the Congress refused to accept his resignation. In that case, the Presidency was suppose to go to the President of the Senate but the President of the Senate refused to take the seat, then it was suppose to go to the President of the Chamber of Deputies, but he refused to take it, until it was given to the Chief Justice of the Bolivian Supreme Court Eduardo Rodriguez. I would assume that the same process would go down, with it going by line of succession. However, that does seem highly unlikely..-Jersey Devil 03:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Evo Wins Outright?
Any source for saying that he wins outright with over 50% of the vote? --Descendall 03:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

sorry, my fault for not seeing it, stupid caching proxy. Fixed.

Merge Bolivian legislative election, 2005 here
The legislature was elected with the same ballots, and therefore the same ballot counts according to party. This is an extremely straightforward merger. I'm proposing we call this page Bolivian general election, 2005.

We also need a Bolivian regional election, 2005 to cover the prefectural elections and the autonomy referenda. It could go in the same page, but separating it would allow for easier link ups with the 2009 and 2010 polls. I'm inclined to keep this separate but to crosslink them in the lead section. Any thoughts either way?--Carwil (talk) 15:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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