Talk:2008 SEC Championship Game

Designated Home Team Record
The designated home team record, by my own personal count is 8-8 as of 2007. The designated away team won in 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005 and the designated home team won in 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007. Rtr10 (talk) 04:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If it goes every other year as who is home (between East/West), then the home team won 2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1996, 1994 according to the chart at SEC Championship Game. (a total of 10 wins out of 16 games played so far, since the 2008 contest hasn't been played yet) Now, it may be the case that there were some years that it didn't follow the back and forth dynamic, but it is my understanding that East teams are home on even years, and West teams are home on odd years, which would give an overall 10-6 record for home teams. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't use the Wikipedia chart, which is incorrect if that is how you are reading it... I pulled those numbers straight from the box scores on SECsports.com which I referenced and you can check for yourself if you want to see it. That's why we use references on Wikipedia and not other Wikipedia articles. To strive for accuracy. Rtr10 (talk) 05:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I know how to use Wikipedia. I filled out most of that chart (most of that article in fact) using other sources; I was just linking to it for ease. No need to be an ass about it. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, starting to see where there is a problem... The Home/Away has not always alternated every season. The West was the home team in both 2000 and 2001 I think that is what is causing us confusion. I'll go back and double check each one. I did mistakingly put the 2001 game in the away team column because I didn't originally see the box score for the game. So now my count stands at 9-7 in favor of the home team. I'm going to go in and at least create an article for every game on wikipedia as long as I can find a box score for each game, so we can get this straightened out once and for all. Sorry if I came off as a little hostile in my last post. Wasn't my intention. Just think there was a misunderstanding on both of our parts. We'll get this straightened out! Rtr10 (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I have them all entered in... let's see what this really is... HOME: 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 (9)   AWAY: 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2005 (7) Rtr10 (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you happen to have a reference that you could link to showing what years are home/away? I looked all over SECSports.com, but I am not seeing where it says which team is home or away. It appears the only year that falls outside of the pattern would be the year 2000. (all the other Home wins are the same as I stated) I looked up an image from the game, and it does indeed appear that Florida has on a home jersey, although that may or may not mean they were officially classified as a home team. It isn't a huge deal either way since it is only one fact, but it would be nice to make sure we have it correct, so if you have a link you are using which states it, then that would be superb. I'll just add a citation needed tag for the moment until one can be found. Very nice job on the creation of all the other SEC Championship game articles, by the way! Cardsplayer4life (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you go on to each wikipedia article listed above, there is at least one box score from every game linked in the article in the 'External links' section. This varifies which team was designated as home and away for every single game. Rtr10 (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have looked through every single one, and I can not find one instance of any of the external links in any of the articles mentioned saying one team is home or away. I realize some list one team first or say someone vs. someone else (by the way, which if you were going by that, Florida would be the home team for 2000), but I can not see where it says either team is a home team or an away team. Maybe I am just being blind; Please provide a direct link to the page and quote the text where it says one team is home or away. I'll hold off on reverting your edits right now, but please point me directly to where it says it. I just don't see it on any of the links so far. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 03:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, this is really not that difficult. If you go to each page, and click on ANY of the the Recap or Box score links in the External links section you will be taken to a recap of the game or a statistics page. There is a box score in one of the links for every single game. In NCAA football (or any level of football for that matter) the away team (whether it is a neutral site game or not) is listed on the top of the box and the home team is listed on bottom. This clearly shows which team was designated as the home team and which was away for every single game. Uniforms have nothing to do with telling whether a team is designated home or away. Yes, a home team typically wears a colored jersey but that is not always the case and is not a way to try to determine who was officially designated as home or away. Not when we have documented statistical information that shows us on paper who was home or away. I hope that explains everything for you, because I really don't know how I can be more clear than that. Rtr10 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, finally an explanation that makes sense. (and yes, I know uniforms don't make any difference; that was the entire point of me asking for another reference besides that) Now that we have established your premise, could you provide a reference to show that home teams are always listed on the bottom in box scores, please? I was unaware this was a hard and fast rule. (I am not arguing with you that it is not, I just would like to see some proof that it is) Cardsplayer4life (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is the Wikipedia article on Box scores it specifically pertains to baseball, but the standard is the same for all sports. The away/visiting team is always listed on top and the home team is always listed on bottom. I work for an SEC Sports Information department and can promise you it is a standard with no exceptions. I'll see if I can find a page on the net, but to be honest it is pretty much common knowledge to those who keep statistics so it may not be easy to find. Rtr10 (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I realized it was common in baseball since the home team always bats last, but I didn't realize it was the same across all sports. (I have probably just not been paying attention) I'll certainly take your word for it if you work for a sports information department. :) Just a quick fyi: The "common knowledge" argument is generally frowned upon as evidence on wikipedia. (I only know cause I tried to use it once a couple years ago when I started out on wikipedia, haha) Cardsplayer4life (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been down that road myself. I was just saying that because I had a feeling it would be difficult to find a reference online that specifically says "the away team is listed on top and the home team is listed on bottom" and after looking today that was true. That is how it is down in every sport though. Baseball, Basketball, Football, Softball, Volleyball. It is a uniform standard. If I come across a reference though, I will throw it up here for you. Rtr10 (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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