Talk:2009 Red River flood

Evacuation
MeritCare Health System announced on their web site and on news outlets they are beginning evacuations at 8:30 tonight (3/26/09) of about 180 hospital patients due to the flood. More flood area evacuations are occurring. Airproofing (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the whole North Dakota should be included in this article and new name for this article would be recommended. Because the flood affected the whole state of North Dakota. Look between March 20, 2009 and March 27, 2009 Articles.

Highways affected included

North Dakota Highway 3 North Dakota Highway 11 North Dakota Highway 13 North Dakota Highway 14 North Dakota Highway 17 North Dakota Highway 18 North Dakota Highway 24 North Dakota Highway 27 North Dakota Highway 32 North Dakota Highway 34 North Dakota Highway 41 North Dakota Highway 46 North Dakota Highway 49 North Dakota Highway 54 North Dakota Highway 200 (Bridge Collapsed Between North Dakota Highway 1806 and North Dakota Highway 200 ALT. Due to flooding of the Knife River.) North Dakota Highway 200 ALT North Dakota Highway 1804 North Dakota Highway 1806

US 2 Bus Grand Forks US 52 / US 281 2 portons between Jamestown and Buchanan US 81 US 83

Interstate 29 Interstate 94 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.195.228 (talk) 06:24, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Missouri River
Beulah and Hazen were affected by the Knife River and Spring Creek floods. Linton and Napoleon were affected by Little Beaver and Big Beaver Creek floods. Missouri River also had ice jams North Bismarck at double ditch. Would cause flooding problems south Bismarck Expressway and West of Washington Street. http://www.kfyrtv.com/default.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by J35u52012 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Rename
The rename should have been discussed. The new title does not meet Wikipedia standards (& !), and there is more than one flood. These are different watercourses, on different sides of the continental divide, with different geologies. They could (and should) be handled in separate articles. Kablammo (talk) 13:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The Red flows north on the east side of the divide, the Missouri flows south on the west side. Neither is impacted by the same exact causes (other than too much moisture like any river). Both have significantly different impacts as well.

Per the above comments, I reverted the name to the original and removed the 2 tiny pieces of info regarding the Missouri (since the rest of the article was completely about the Red), and removed the KFYR search references that are not relevant to the Red. Mrlatenite (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand the desire to add the information on the flooding of the Missouri and its tributaries. There are of course some features in common: heavy precipitation (especially snow) on frozen ground, ice dams blocking watercourses.  One possible solution would be to take the redirect you created, 2009 North Dakota Flood and address the Missouri basin flooding there and also have a summary of the Red River flooding, with a
 * template to this more detailed and, in geographic scope, broader article. Kablammo (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * template to this more detailed and, in geographic scope, broader article. Kablammo (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible source
I found this article to be fascinating: http://www.ndsu.edu/fargo_geology/documents/geologists_perspective_2003.pdf --Appraiser (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Appraiser, that is a great resource. It would be especially valuable on the Geology section of the Red River of the North page.  Are you going to add it?  Kablammo (talk) 12:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to be able to work on it. I'm pretty burned out on Wikipedia. I'm glad to see you're holding down the fort.--Appraiser (talk) 18:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Photos
The US Army Corps of Engineers and the Red Cross of America have a lot of photos available on Flickr. USACE photos are public domain due to it being a government entity, and Red Cross of America is only asking for attribution. Photos are here and here. There are also a lot of photos taken by individuals, many of which are freely licensed. -JWGreen (talk) 18:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I also just found this NASA image which is free of copyright here.
 * Outstanding image. The squares in the photo are sections, each one mile square. The photo shows that the flooded river is ~7 miles wide a few miles south of Fargo/Moorhead; all that water has to squeeze into a river channel through town perhaps 700 feet wide. (I saw both those figures in news reports also; unfortunately I do not have the cites.) Kablammo (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

2009 North Dakota floods
In accordance with the suggestion further up on this page, material on flooding elsewhere in North Dakota (Missouri and Souris basins) should now be added to 2009 North Dakota floods. That article needs some help, both in adding material on flooding in areas to the west of the Red, and also rewriting and condensing material on the effects in the state on the Red River flood, covered here. Material from here has been copypasted in the other article and needs to be rewritten. Kablammo (talk) 01:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The main story (i.e. that which has received most of, if not all of the media coverage) is flooding along the Red River.  Additionally, most other rivers where record flooding is/was occurring (as far as I can tell, let me know if I'm wrong) are tributaries of the Red River.  Furthermore, record-to-near-record flooding occurred downstream in Canada as well, so the "North Dakota" in the title is wrong.
 * If the title were to be changed, it should be changed to 2009 Northern Great Plains flooding, or something along those lines.- Running On  Brains  14:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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