Talk:2010 Winter Paralympics

Logo
Image:2010 Winter Olympics logo.png Image:Vancouver2010logo.jpg Is that the paralympics logo? If not should we be using the bid logo?
 * The official logo will be presented on September 16, 2006. Be patient. Hektor 20:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
I have assessed this as a Start Class, as it contains enough detail and organization to be above a Stub Class. I have assessed this as low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 23:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * With respect... low importance? This is a large-scale international sporting event for athletes with disabilities - the largest such event in the world. Perhaps I don't understand the rating scale; what importance will be assigned to the 2010 Winter Olympics? - Eron Talk 00:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The 2010 Olympics have been given mid-importance for WikiProject Vancouver (same as the Paralympics), and high importance for the Canada/British Columbia projects (whereas the Paralympics have been given low importance). I'd say it needs to be harmonised. If the Olympics have high importance for the project, the Paralympics should definitely not be rated "low". Aridd (talk) 12:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above. The city that hosts the Olympics is required to also host the Paralympics. Organisationally and legally they are both part of the same package. To give the events different ratings is both silly and insulting. HiLo48 (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Participating NPCs?
This is the source which this article provides for the participation of China, Belgium, Ghana, Denmark, India, Iran and Latvia. It's a shopping directory website, not an official source. I would say it's not an acceptable source. I've been able to confirm the participation of Belgium through another source (and created Belgium's article). But currently, I can't find any confirmation on the participation of China, Ghana, Denmark, India, Iran or Latvia. Nor can I find any list of participating NPCs, except on that shopping website, which I don't think we can use as a source. The problem is that we have a list here of supposedly participating countries, but it's unsourced. What I'm going to do for now is remove the countries I've just mentioned. They can be restored if sources are found. When I have time, I'll look through the other countries which are red-linked at present, and if I can find no source, I would recommend them being removed as well, until there's a credible source confirming their participation. Wikipedia is used by many people as a reference point, and we shouldn't be providing unsourced, dubious "information". Aridd (talk) 08:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fully agree, until participation can be confirmed they shouldn't be on the list. We had a similar issue with Ghana at the 2010 Winter Olympics which was initially deleted and then recreated once we could source them taking part - Basement12 (T.C) 09:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've gone through the list, and tried to find confirmation for each. I've found sources confirming the participation of the Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, Slovakia, South Korea and the Ukraine (with just enough information to start an article on Russia's participation). For now, I can't find information for Austria, Belarus, Finland, Hungary, Iceland, Kazakhstan, Poland, Serbia, Slovenia or Spain. So I've indicated the source where one exists, and put tags on the others. I would have no objection to them being removed altogether until their participation is confirmed. Aridd (talk) 10:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

For Greece, someone has provided this source, and indicated that Greece will have two representatives. It's clearly an official source, but the link is simply to the main page (in Greek). Browsing through the pages in the English language, I can find nothing about Greece's participation in the 2010 Paralympics. I'm going to contact the editor who edited the article, but it's an unregistered user. Aridd (talk) 12:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Medal Table - Don't include it until the Games are over
During the just finished Olympics, there were many times when the medal table was just plain wrong. This was because it was being updated far too frequently in real time by a multitude of editors, very often incorrectly. Some of the problems were from genuine mistakes (it's a complex bit of coding), but more were caused by biased, parochial editors more interested in showing the power of their own nation or favourite athlete than in producing encyclopedic material.

I don't know the solution. I would personally prefer to not include a medal table at all. Since it seems that we must in order to satisfy often unhealthy, nationalistic tendencies, I believe it should wait until the Games are over for inclusion. There is NO encyclopedic benefit in updating it after (or even during) every event, as happened with the Olympic Games. The order medals are won is more a result of the order of events than an encyclopedic fact. Wikipedia is NOT a news service. If medals are important, the ONLY long term interest is going to be in totals, not how many have been won at 3:17pm on the afternoon of the fifth day. The article would gain considerably in stability and being encyclopedic by NOT updating the medal table while the Games are on. I see no benefit in doing it at all. HiLo48 (talk) 19:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. The article does become unstable with people trying to update it immediately after a medal is awarded. However, I think that the medal table should be included in the article and should be updated at the end of each day (but not after every event). This is because many people do rely on Wikipedia being quick with current events. RG104 (talk) 00:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. I was being a bit deliberately provocative in suggesting no medal table until the Games are over, but it would be good if there was some mechanism in place to ensure it was only updated at the end of each day's events. I'm not aware that such a tool exists, apart from the ethics of the posters. This becomes difficult because some of the posters an article like this attracts are very infrequent Wikipedians, and tend to not look at Talk pages. Watching the Olympic articles, I became convinced that some didn't even realise they exist. Would it be practical to revert rushed edits and put comments in the Edit summary to try to educate people? Further thought tells me that the over-enthusiastic editors probably won't even look there. HiLo48 (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Again, I agree with you about over-enthusiastic editors. They will probably not look at the talk page. Is there a message that we can put above the medal table describing the rules and guidelines of editing the medal table? It might stop people from updating the medal table after every event. RG104 (talk) 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can put as many rules/guidelines as you like above the medal table, we've tried during various Olympics, unfortunately it will still get edited, often wrongly. The best we can hope for is that there are enough people checking it regularly that mistakes don't stay around for long and for a block on unregistered users if vandal edits occur. - Basement12 (T.C) 12:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Unless there is a better way, we should do that. We should create an Olympic Medal Table committee or something like that so that the right editors are monitoring the medal tables during every Olympic. We could also semi-protect the section the medal table is in so that unregistered people can't edit it. RG104 (talk) 00:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, it appears that there is going to be a progressive medal table regardless of what is mentioned in this page.. It has always been by opinion that the medals table should be arranged (default) by number of gold medals and then silver rather than sorting the table by total number of medals.. Bevstarrunner (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's WikiProject Olympics convention and the way it should be done to be consistent with all similar pages - Basement12 (T.C) 18:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Paralympics Task Force
Please feel free to come edit and or join the new Paralympics task force: WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics. Bib (talk) 15:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Viviane Forest became the first Paralympian to win a gold in both the Winter and Summer Games - Not True
The claim that Viviane Forest became the first Paralympian to win a gold in both the Winter and Summer Games in Vancouver is erroneous. This was achieved in 1980 by Cato Zahl Pedersen of Norway who won four golds in athletics in Arnhem, having already won 3 gold medals in Geilo six months earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.32.16 (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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