Talk:2012 phenomenon/Archive 14

past tense
Shouldn't this be updated to past tense now that all the referenced dates have past? Much of the content still portrays this as something that could happen in the future.Practicality (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It was mostly already past tense; though I went through the article and fixed a couple places that weren't. Is it better now?  If not feel free to fix anything that still needs updating. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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Apocalypse
As I recall, Coe put the date as December 11, 2012. If this is correct, Coe's faulty calculation should be retained and noted, not elided out of the quotation from his work.156.98.252.252 (talk) 20:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC) Whoops! Looks like there is a note of some kind. Could go back and see what date Coe used in the edition I was reading a few days ago, but don't think it's worth the bother.156.98.252.252 (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Aha! There it is. Mark Van Stone in Citation 78 clears it up: Coe originally calculated the date as 2011,not 2012, and that's what I misremembered. Let's see if I can slip in a correction without a footnote, which I've never bothered to learn to insert.156.98.252.252 (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

There.Probably not an exact quote but closer to the sense of Coe's text then that bit of bracket weaselry.156.98.252.252 (talk) 20:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

It's either the 1966 text or it ain't, bud. Can't have it both ways. Cheers.156.98.252.252 (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The square brackets make it clear that it is an insertion, and the note makes clear that Coe eventually settled on December 2012.  Serendi pod ous  20:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what date he "eventually settled on". The claim is that he said it in 1966 and he did not. You need to do a rewrite, not try to present a spurious timeline. Other prominent Mayanist scholars before and after Coe addressed this issue and Coe did not in fact publish any reference to the "2012 Phenomenon" in 1966. What he published IN 1966 was a reference to a 2011 phenomenon. The genealogy of this idea is more complicated than what you are representing and this needs to be made clear in the text of the article, not "corrected" with statements Coe published a quarter-century later. The undeniable fact is that COE DID NOT REFER TO A 2012 PHENOMENON IN 1966 and altering a quotation to make it look as though he did is simply shoddy and misleading scholarship.156.98.252.252 (talk) 21:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. Then I won't mention a date at all.  Serendi pod ous  22:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Adoption by mainstream media
The predictions of the end of the world was entirely New Age, utterly without any scientific foundation or logic, and promoted by a handful of lunatics who were misrepresenting Mayan religion. So why were these clearly false predictions adopted by the mainstream media, and promoted as if the had any credibility? That strange phenomenon itself deserves an article, or at least a paragraph here.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "the mainstream media"? I'm not aware of any mainstream medium (with the possible exception of the movie) that endorsed the phenomenon. Most held it at a distance or treated it ironically, and were not even aware of the details of this. In fact, even the supposed "informative" media tended to get this wrong.  Serendi pod ous  05:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Origins?
Greetings, I'm not sure how you would cite this, but for me (and probably many others), the first time I heard the original Coe date, 24 December 2011, was at the end of The_Outer_Space_Connection, also in 1975, which I believe was also the last thing Rod Serling ever worked on (and the predecessor to "In Search of"). Joel J. Rane (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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What?
It's 2016 and nothing happened! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.156.88 (talk) 02:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And? ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 19:13, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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Baktun
Re: info box, and creation at 13.0.0.0.0. I don’t get how (Dec21) 2012 is the end of a baktun, but it’s still 13.0.0.0.0. Especially since the 13 is the baktun number.

Any chance of making that clearer? MBG02 (talk) 07:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The Maya considered the first day of the new B'ak'tun the last day of the old one, hence why they called the date of the last creation "13.0.0.0.0" instead of "0.0.0.0.0".  Serendi pod ous  09:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar Senor Cuete (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * (I hope this is not too dumb). Is the next day (Dec 22) 14.0.0.0.01? MBG02 (talk) 21:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No, read the Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar article. Senor Cuete (talk) 22:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merger
Hard no on the merger with Web Bot, an article which despite its short length is too broad in scope to focus solely on the 2012 phenomenon which is only briefly mentioned in a single segment of the article. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 16:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Right now Wikipedia is arguably the only source still giving oxygen to this stupid idea. The 2012 phenomeon is the only reason it got noticed in the first place.  Serendi pod ous  14:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Be that as it may, both topics are as intertwined as they need to be, and Web Bot has enough material to stand as its own article, at least for the time being. Web Bot clearly has some significance in the mainstream, no matter how minor, and even if the 2012 phenomenon is what brought it to prominence it clearly exists well outside of that topic area as well. There is nothing to merge here. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 15:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)