Talk:2019 Military World Games

Numbers
What do the numbers in brackets in #List of participating nations mean? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It indicates the total number of participants for each nations. Abishe (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, please explain this in the article &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Medal Standings Daily Medallist

Rank by Gold Medal Standing Rank Nation MWXTotal MWXTotal MWXTotal Total Rank by Total 1	China	48805133	2734364	1522542	239	1 2	Russia	3216351	1734253	2728257	161	2 3	Brazil	128121	1511531	1125036	88	3 4	France	48113	128020	1111224	57	5 5	Poland	83011	87015	1419134	60	4 6	Germany	73010	105015	1010020	45	6 7	DPRK	3609	3508	410115	32	8 8	Bahrain	5409	0101	3407	17	12 9	Uzbekistan	5308	5207	2305	20	11 10	Ukraine	3205	76013	78015	33	7 11	Italy	2024	55212	92112	28	9 12	Kazakhstan	3104	3003	3205	12	15 13	Belarus	2204	2002	3508	14	13 14	Iran	4004	2002	5005	11	16 15	Switzerland	3104	1001	6208	13	14 16	ROK	3003	91010	110011	24	10 17	Norway	1102	1304	0202	8	19 17	Slovenia	0202	0404	1102	8	19 19	Egypt	1012	1102	3205	9	17 20	Kenya	1102	1001	1102	5	28 20	Morocco	1102	1001	2002	5	28 22	Turkey	2002	0000	3003	5	28 23	Romania	1001	1304	2103	8	19 24	Mongolia	0101	1203	4105	9	17 25	Hungary	1001	1113	1001	5	28 26	Czech Republic	1001	2002	5005	8	19 27	India	1001	1001	2002	4	33 28	Belgium	1001	1001	1001	3	35 29	Latvia	1001	1001	0000	2	41 30	Lithuania	1001	0000	1001	2	41 31	Bulgaria	1001	0000	0000	1	48 31	Namibia	0101	0000	0000	1	48 31	Tunisia	1001	0000	0000	1	48 34	Finland	0000	3104	1012	6	25 35	United States	0000	1203	3205	8	19 36	Austria	0000	2103	1001	4	33 37	Algeria	0000	2002	5005	7	24 38	Azerbaijan	0000	2002	4004	6	25 39	Dominican Republic	0000	1102	2103	5	28 40	Slovakia	0000	1102	1001	3	35 41	Qatar	0000	2002	0000	2	41 42	Thailand	0000	1001	3205	6	25 43	Canada	0000	0101	1102	3	35 43	Sri Lanka	0000	0101	1102	3	35 43	Sweden	0000	0101	0202	3	35 46	Oman	0000	1001	1001	2	41 46	Syria	0000	1001	1001	2	41 46	Vietnam	0000	0101	0101	2	41 49	Saudi Arabia	0000	1001	0000	1	48 49	Denmark	0000	0101	0000	1	48 49	Ecuador	0000	1001	0000	1	48 49	Estonia	0000	1001	0000	1	48 49	Tanzania	0000	1001	0000	1	48 54	Serbia	0000	0000	2103	3	35 55	Venezuela	0000	0000	1102	2	41 56	Albania	0000	0000	0101	1	48 56	Armenia	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Barbados	0000	0000	0101	1	48 56	Spain	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Greece	0000	0000	0101	1	48 56	Indonesia	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Ireland	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Kuwait	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Luxembourg	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Pakistan	0000	0000	1001	1	48 56	Rwanda	0000	0000	1001	1	48

Medal Standings Daily Medallist

Rank by Gold Detailed Medal Standings Rank	Nation Rank by Total Rank 	Nation Rank by Total 1	China	133	64	42	239	1 2	Russia	51	53	57	161	2 3	Brazil	21	31	36	88	3 4	France	13	20	24	57	5 5	Poland	11	15	34	60	4 6	Germany	10	15	20	45	6 7	DPRK	9	8	15	32	8 8	Bahrain	9	1	7	17	12 9	Uzbekistan	8	7	5	20	11 10	Ukraine	5	13	15	33	7 11	Italy	4	12	12	28	9 12	Kazakhstan	4	3	5	12	15 13	Belarus	4	2	8	14	13 14	Iran	4	2	5	11	16 15	Switzerland	4	1	8	13	14 16	ROK	3	10	11	24	10 17	Norway	2	4	2	8	19 17	Slovenia	2	4	2	8	19 19	Egypt	2	2	5	9	17 20	Kenya	2	1	2	5	28 20	Morocco	2	1	2	5	28 22	Turkey	2	0	3	5	28 23	Romania	1	4	3	8	19 24	Mongolia	1	3	5	9	17 25	Hungary	1	3	1	5	28 26	Czech Republic	1	2	5	8	19 27	India	1	1	2	4	33 28	Belgium	1	1	1	3	35 29	Latvia	1	1	0	2	41 30	Lithuania	1	0	1	2	41 31	Bulgaria	1	0	0	1	48 31	Namibia	1	0	0	1	48 31	Tunisia	1	0	0	1	48 34	Finland	0	4	2	6	25 35	United States	0	3	5	8	19 36	Austria	0	3	1	4	33 37	Algeria	0	2	5	7	24 38	Azerbaijan	0	2	4	6	25 39	Dominican Republic	0	2	3	5	28 40	Slovakia	0	2	1	3	35 41	Qatar	0	2	0	2	41 42	Thailand	0	1	5	6	25 43	Canada	0	1	2	3	35 43	Sri Lanka	0	1	2	3	35 43	Sweden	0	1	2	3	35 46	Oman	0	1	1	2	41 46	Syria	0	1	1	2	41 46	Vietnam	0	1	1	2	41 49	Saudi Arabia	0	1	0	1	48 49	Denmark	0	1	0	1	48 49	Ecuador	0	1	0	1	48 49	Estonia	0	1	0	1	48 49	Tanzania	0	1	0	1	48 54	Serbia	0	0	3	3	35 55	Venezuela	0	0	2	2	41 56	Albania	0	0	1	1	48 56	Armenia	0	0	1	1	48 56	Barbados	0	0	1	1	48 56	Spain	0	0	1	1	48 56	Greece	0	0	1	1	48 56	Indonesia	0	0	1	1	48 56	Ireland	0	0	1	1	48 56	Kuwait	0	0	1	1	48 56	Luxembourg	0	0	1	1	48 56	Pakistan	0	0	1	1	48 56	Rwanda	0	0	1	1	48 Total	316	316	389	1021

Did western media cover this event?
I (here in Canada) had no idea this event existed, even though apparently over 100 Canadians participated. This seems bigger than the summer Olympic games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.74.108.212 (talk) 02:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I am not sure with that whether the media in Western region covered this event but the event has been under scanner for the possibility of the spreading of coronavirus according to some sources. Abishe (talk) 06:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Correction: US won 1 gold at triathalon competition
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/11/01/usas-coyle-wins-triathlon-gold-world-military-games-china.html

Rwinkel (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This article is already cited on the page in the part below the medal table. Near the beginning of the article it says that, since they were awarded in the over 40 division, the two triathlon medals were not counted in the official medal tally. CowHouse (talk) 06:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

USA "lying" about its number of participants?
Hi. This is the talk page of the article if you'd like to discuss anything. You can edit this page with your comments instead of inserting your comments into the article or using edit summaries. I think this is getting complex enough that we should have this talk page discussion. In response to your latest edit summary...

I'd say just be careful of original research. Wikipedia editors shouldn't really be loading videos and counting people and then putting that into articles. We need a reliable source such as a newspaper, book, or in this case the official games website in order to add/change information in articles. Hope this helps. – Novem Linguae (talk) 20:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * leo here - I studied this for a long time - one American who wanted to stay anonymous - wrote - our media didn´t cover the event which is strange - then - US team disastrous results - not a single gold placed the mightiest army in the universe behind poor Namibia and as it was really very low, even behind camel Tunisia which is not just shame but a proof that something was just not right there - original numbers here were 278 of whole US expedition - ie full Boeing 747 - among them 179 sportsmen
 * - it is also striking that despite I provided evidence - counting from video - you in fact not thanked but hushed me for that - this is really a typical scam practice and wiki is thus - also due to your stance - now an untrustworthy source. btw WHERE is the source for that ridiculous and apparently false 59? of course - nowhere, poor wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopodstanicky (talk • contribs) 07:48, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There's 3 sources linked at the top of the table, although I think the one that had the 59 number died and was archived incorrectly. Got any sources for one American who wanted to stay anonymous - wrote - our media didn´t cover the event which is strange? A link to a reliable newspaper that mentions this would be the first step to getting it added. Sorry, counting people on YouTube seems like clear original research to me, which is not allowed. – Novem Linguae (talk) 09:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

leo here - as for that American - he was clearly afraid and therefore - he said - hid his IP - and I respect his concerns vis-a-vis the ones who have butter on head so didn´t try to follow on him - let´s take it the other way round - there was global silence ordered apparently from one centre regarding ANY notion that this event ever happened - now this is not suspicous - it is the proof - it is no chance than when I tried to get ANY response from ANYBODY all I got back was silence or at the best some ridicule ridiculing from THE SUN. Since this event happened in Wuhan and on the outbreak of covid, it is clear that there WAS a global ban - in Israel controlled world ie "The West " on information about it, not even mentioning The US participation of course. Wuhan is 1/150th of CHina in terms of population. Based on the fact that covid originated here at time of games tell me it was a chance please. At the time US army was here in numbers. And Italian sportsmen were hit hardest. Was it possible to draw any line between US team and covid? Or better - who wrote in here that ridiculous "conspiration theory section" - who claims he has the right to state what is conspiracy and why? We all know that this "conspiration theories" is a program in Mossad controlled world - it is everywhere like pest. Btw this is not first case I see wiki complicit with illegal or outright criminal activities - there are much more serious cases of it I can document very easily quoting ... wiki. Is wiki free? This sounds like a joke doesn´t it. Don´t respond to my comment as it will bring no real quality or information. counting myself is not allowed? oh whaly whaly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leopodstanicky (talk • contribs) 13:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * as for that American - he was clearly afraid and therefore - he said - hid his IP. We don't need their IP. We just need a newspaper that published a story about it. Wikipedia is a WP:TERTIARY source. We let reliable sources do the investigating for us, then we summarize what the reliable sources say. – Novem Linguae (talk) 13:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ok I will give you example of corrupt wiki - mr. Lučanský - has nothing to do with this event - wiki claims - committed suicide - a Slovak wiki claims that is. Do you know what is the problem? That it claimed that even before a investigation committee was set up. How can wiki say that when Slovak police didn´t even start investigation? When I tried to point at it, was immediately reverted. I know only one thing - that both problems have the same nominative. Here you yourself said that there is no back up for 59 number. Yet you stick to this number you know is wrong. How did I find that wrong number just now ? Wanted to show a friend and was caught by surprise - wow, the right number that was there FOR YEARS suddenly gone. Frankly, I don´t trust wiki anymore. And say everybody do the same.
 * "although I think the one that had the 59 number died and was archived incorrectly" - you can count ppl walking Wuhan Stadium self - 17 * 7 = 119 +2 = 121 - I don´t say it is correct numer of US participants - it is only members you can see on tarmac yourself Leopodstanicky (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's hard to trust what you're saying when you have no sources that follow our policies, so I am just trying to keep the historical article text. However wow, the right number that was there FOR YEARS suddenly gone is a much better argument. See, I can check that. Our pages have an edit history. Ok, after like 20 minutes of investigating, I have this.
 * edit that added USA 172 (Nov 2019)
 * edit that changed USA 172 to USA 59 (Oct 2022)
 * , are you around? Can you explain your edit a bit?, thoughts on this? And do either of you have a link to a source for # of participants by country that isn't a dead URL? The source given at the top of the table that probably had this info appears to be a dead URL that was improperly archived. Thanks. – Novem Linguae (talk) 20:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. See, I don´t care for the number of participants - I´ll explain - say, Egypt, Why should I care for its number? I don´t. What I am after is this - there were some number of countries, Yet, wiki itself in that ridiculous "conspiration theories" paragraph is pointing to USA. Question - why USA? Why not Bangladesh? Or Hungary? See? it is not the number what is the problem here. It is USA itself. Then I analyzed the number compared to factors like - by far biggest army in the world, the wealthiest, best trained, best trainers, poor results and STRUCTURE of those - only three teams - wrestling, basketball and golf showing that these teams were sound and probably didn´t know other members of expedition who were either not sportsmen, not the best sportsmen for reasons of spying, infected sportsmen or outright CIA agents posing as sportsmen. How can we ignore CIA games when it is playing those worldwide and in Wuhan predominantly? 35th place behind Czechia, at least in front of its slave, Slovakia. Leopodstanicky (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have found official US military web page showing US team on tarmac of Wuhan 7th WMG
 * https://armedforcessports.defense.gov/Media/News-Stories/Article-View/Article/2246438/military-world-games-opens-with-dazzling-spectacle/ Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * leo p
 * Komu:usarmy.jbsa.imcom-hq.mbx.army-sports@mail.mil
 * Number of US team members at 7th world military games in Wuhan
 * Hello,
 * please can you state exact number of US team that participated there - with and without technical staff?
 * Thank you,
 * Leo Podstanicky Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Armed Forces Sports - U.S. Army (defense.gov)
 * IMCOM, G-9, Family and MWR Programs
 * 2405 Gunshed Road
 * Fort Sam Houston, TX 78234-7588
 * Tel: 210-466-1337
 * DSN: 450-1337
 * All-Army Sports Website
 * Army World Class Athlete Program Website
 * Email All-Army Sports
 * Contact Army World Class Athlete Program Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Xinhua
 * http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473332.htm
 * U.S. delegation arrives in Wuhan for Military World Games - Xinhua | English.news.cn (xinhuanet.com)
 * WUHAN, Oct. 15 (Xinhua) -- A group of 17 athletes from the U.S. Armed Forces has arrived at the airport in the central Chinese city of Wuhan for the up-coming 2019 Military World Games here on Monday midnight.
 * About 300 athletes from the United States are expected to arrive in the next 2 days.
 * leo - is this sufficient evidence - now we just need to find which full 747 flew those agents in Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * would be interesting to find out who is that cheater with 59 and especially on whose commands he was acting, because this was a military decoy operation at times when dust "settled down" Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * btw isn´t that striking that out of tens of nations just US one was changed in number - of course to lower, much lower and not higher - or much higher which would be ever crazier that this - the number 59 itself is a proof of cheating by itself when using number 9 - this number symbolises big number - so it was used by cheater slave Leopodstanicky (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.dvidshub.net/feature/2019MilGames?fbclid=IwAR2oFKM3GDAj1cubPOVjRytVT_pMC56Y3LIvoSm67vmakIM8CoKNZf30hpQ
 * 2019 CISM Military World Games
 * Subscribe50
 * Media Request
 * CISM will conduct the 7th edition of the Military World Games (MWG) hosted by the Chinese Delegation in the city of Wuhan, China. The 7th MWG will feature military athletes from around the world with an estimated participation of over 100 nations and over 10,000 participants. The U.S. Delegation will send 17 teams with a delegation size of over 280 athletes and staff.
 * I don´t ask you to change the number anymore, it is irrelevant Leopodstanicky (talk) 12:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is all original research. You need to find a published, reliable source that has the data we need in text format and link to it here. Copy pasting private emails, and counting people in photographs and videos, is original research and does not follow our policies. – Novem Linguae (talk) 17:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * enough for me to know that you stick to falsified number - wiki is becoming a joke Leopodstanicky (talk) 14:41, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * again - you ignore that official source - on whose orders? - you certainly don´t do it on your own -
 * https://www.dvidshub.net/feature/2019MilGames?fbclid=IwAR2oFKM3GDAj1cubPOVjRytVT_pMC56Y3LIvoSm67vmakIM8CoKNZf30hpQ
 * 2019 CISM Military World Games
 * Subscribe50
 * Media Request
 * CISM will conduct the 7th edition of the Military World Games (MWG) hosted by the Chinese Delegation in the city of Wuhan, China. The 7th MWG will feature military athletes from around the world with an estimated participation of over 100 nations and over 10,000 participants. The U.S. Delegation will send 17 teams with a delegation size of over 280 athletes and staff. Leopodstanicky (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)