Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup Group B

Table Sources
What sorts of sources are you looking for in this table? Are you going to place the same cn tag on every other article with an unsourced table? Please also note that the placement of your tag makes it appear that citations are needed in the prose, even though the prose is properly cited. — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Please also note that the table for which you request citations is a subset of the table of all qualified teams that is already published. — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a LOT of information in this table that is a lot more than what is in the prose; or obvious from WP:CALC or otherwise. For instance, we are stating the FIFA rankings at two different points, as well as each team's previous history of the event. I don't think it would be all that difficult to cite the rankings, which should just be two links to individual parts of the FIFA website (or otherwise), but I don't really know how we'd do a blanket citation for how each team has done previously at the event - unless you know of anything? I don't have any plans to start tagging a load of articles, but it is something that would need addressing in all similar tables. It isn't a case of saying that we haven't cited tables like these before, the information needs to be verifiable.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Requiring citations in all tables like this would require a wholesale change of all the qualification and group tables throughout the entire 2022 FIFA World Cup series, including the qualification articles, as well as the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup series. There is already a wikilink to the FIFA Men's World Rankings in the table header, as well as links to all the teams' pages, with all the listed information already cited. This is the first time I have seen ANYONE have a problem with how these tables are laid out, and you chose to tag only Group B. Why not all eight groups? Why not the complete table at 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification? Why not the women's groups? Are we also going to go through and add citations to all the previous tournaments' series of articles? — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You've just quoted one of the worst arguments that we have on this project... WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Sometimes, the main reason why people don't try to fix things is because of the size of the issue as a whole, rather than trying to fix up articles. All of these things obviously need to be cited - we can't cite Wikipedia as a reference, so leaving a link to the article isn't good enough (which also doesn't show historical placements, so it's a bit moot). I'm a bit confused why you've said that me suggesting that we need to cite a table means we have to make wholesale changes. I wanted to fix up this page, and maybe I'll do some work on some of the other pages at a later date - I don't need to make these consistent; but, if it bothers you, feel free to tag all of the articles yourself.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * All a bit moot now, I've found a decent enough source.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate headings
Why do we have two headings with the same name for each match, in violation of MOS:HEADINGS (For technical reasons, section headings should: Be unique within a page, so that section links lead to the right place. Would it not be better to have each match summary in the same place as the match details- that seems much more logical to me? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it should be in the summary section. It is much more logical to have uniterupted prose. I don't really know why we need subsection headers to the individual matches.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Should probably have better terminology for the first match day and merge the Iran/England and Wales/USA sections.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with the match day solution. Some similar articles have summaries under the match graphics, but then that duplicates the summary sub header anyway, and depending on the amount of prose, can negatively affect readability. Kingsif (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and just put the match scores, which makes a lot more sense from a prose POV, and also stops any issues with MOS:HEAD.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)