Talk:2023 Pakistan ration distribution stampedes

"Stampede" or "crowd crush"
In an edit summary reverting my bold deletion of a "stampede" category, User:Jim Michael 2 writes The ibox title should be the same as that of the article. Many RS & our title say they were stampedes. There aren't crush cats by year or country.

The unchallenged consensus of scientific assessment is that humans only stampede to get away from mortal danger, such as fire. Nobody stampedes toward danger: people die because they have been crushed from behind, and that has happened because of incompetent policing or stewardship.

The popular media use click bait terms like "stampede" because it sells, not because of any reasoned analysis. The authorities use the term "stampede" because it allows them to blame the victims and thus evade responsibility for their incompetence. Wikipedia is not a tabloid, it should not descend to sloppy tabloid journalists' level. The existing cats need to be renamed. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * While there may be unchallenged consensus of scientific assessment that humans don't stampede towards mortal danger, there seems to be no such consensus that humans never stampede toward anything at all . In this case, there were at least 9 deaths by trampling, not by crushing or suffocation. It seems to be that the RS using the term "stampede" isn't so egregiously wrong that we as wikipedia editors need to correct them.
 * As anything on wikipedia, article content is determined by what can be found in sources. The content of this article should be primarily based on sources about this individual crowd disaster. If you object to the language on "stampede" vs "crowd crush" grounds, that should be discussed at the relevant larger articles for those topics. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * People get crushed so that they slide to the ground and the fluid mass of people continues over them. They have not been trampled egregiously by free runners.
 * This article is one of many where the traditional term "stampede" has been used in an undifferentiated manner by reliable sources, thereby creating a problem for Wikipedia on how best to describe these events. I have opened a discussion at Talk:Crowd collapses and crushes to discuss. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)