Talk:30 for 30

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Not sure of the best way to add external links to all the documentaries... for example, http://30for30.espn.com/film/kings-ransom.html would be the external info link for the first film, but is it wise to put 30 links on this page?

Coleslawsome (talk) 20:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Episodes or Films?
Each installment seems to be both its own separate creative entity and yet still apart of the series; should the titles be in italics (Film) or quotations ("Episode")? I personally say italics are the right decision, for the 30 for 30 was not a weekly series, and the moniker serves as a connector more than anything. But before I change the list section, I will wait for any (unlikely) input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentysixpurple (talk • contribs) 20:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody verify the October 2011 airdate of "Steve Bartman:Catching Hell". It was supposedly going to air this Spring.Heat84 (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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Miocic saves Believeland
I thought the coincidence of Stipe Miocic breaking the 51-year-old Cleveland Curse three hours after ESPN aired a show about its continued existence was a historical moment in synchronicity. Someone else thought it was trivial and not entirely appropriate here. What say you? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's just trivia. It has absolutely no effect on the film. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Removed quote
It was a Bill Simmons quote from 2011 talking about the future of 30 for 30. Now, five years later, there's no reason for the quote, because the future has occurred and we've seen what ended up happening.  Enigma msg  02:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Correction. Six years ago. The cite was a chat with Bill Simmons from the fall of 2010.  Enigma msg  02:21, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Regarding all of your edits seen here: Don't remove Simmons from the infobox. Just because he is not involved now, doesn't mean he never was. The infobox reflects the whole series, for which Simmons is a producer. Second, when the idea of the series was conceived, Simmons was not a former ESPN.com columnist. "Former" does not need to be put anywhere near Simmons' name. Having, or not having "former" is not going to change anything that was true at the time it was stated. Thirdly, there was absolutely no reason to remove the quote in the "ESPN Presents" section. It provides useful commentary on how those films relate to the 30 for 30 brand. I don't know why you did that. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * He is still in the infobox as creator. He is not currently the producer. Please stop inserting information that is factually incorrect, and additionally, please stop using rollback on good faith edits. Rollback is intended for obvious vandalism, and Simmons is not the producer. I don't know why you insist on maintaining factual inaccuracies. Once again, Bill Simmons is not a producer of 30 for 30. He was the creator of the show, and that I left in the infobox. Simmons is a former producer and a former columnist for ESPN. Those are facts. Wikipedia is supposed to be kept up to date. You pretending that it's four years ago does not change the fact that it's 2016 and these things are no longer accurate.  Enigma msg  05:05, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You are 100% incorrect!! Wow. Bill Simmons is a producer of 30 for 30, even if he left. I am not pretending that it's four years ago. Simmons is a producer on any films released before he left ESPN (and probably a few after he left too). The template documentation at Infobox television states that you list all relevant creative members in the infobox, in original credit order, even if they left. For another example, if you have executive producers A, B, C on a TV series for its first two seasons, then in the their third, B leaves the project, do you remove them? No you don't. So that is that point. And once again, when the series was conceived, Simmons WAS NOT a former X and Y. Those titles do not need to be updated to reflect his current status. Including "In 2010" in the second paragraph of "Background" is fine, though not really necessary. And finally, you have AGAIN removed a contextual quote for "ESPN Presents". There is nothing wrong with it in the article and does provide nice context and background to why those films were not considered Volume II films. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:15, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you are 100% incorrect. Wow! Your actions are beyond the pale. This article was written and referenced 4+ years ago and you are using rollback to revert any attempt to update it. The fact that the article is quite dated can be easily seen from the references. 30 for 30 is a current project. Bill Simmons is not a current producer. He did produce many films before departed, and he is listed as a producer on THOSE. Additionally, he is in the infobox as creator, so your repeated claims that I'm deleting him from the infobox are false. I merely removed him from producer, as the infobox as it stands is intended to list the current people involved. If you want to list all the past people who worked on it, you are welcome to make a note, with the dates they were with 30 for 30.
 * The article is written for the PRESENT, not the past. Bill Simmons is not a producer for 30 for 30. He was a producer in 2014 and earlier, and obviously has credits for the many editions which were produced while he was there.
 * Bill Simmons is a former columnist for ESPN. That is a fact. Bill Simmons is a former producer for 30 for 30. That is a fact. You are using rollback on good faith edits. That is a fact.  Enigma msg  22:16, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is written for the PRESENT, not the past. Really? The article should be reflective of the topic as a whole, not just the present. As Simmons is not at ESPN anymore, yes a reference should be added to the article in that context and as a separate statement saying such. But that doesn't change what he was a producer: at the two points in question: at its creation (a producer and ESPN columnist) and when he talked about "ESPN Films Present" (once again, same). That also does not mean he gets removed from the infobox to reflect "current" status. I have also notified the television project to this discussion for others to weigh in. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:TV articles should reflect the entire history, not just the present. WP:TVCAST specifically says Articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series. While this was originally aimed at actors, it has always been taken to refer to presenters, producers etc in order to comply with the requirement that articles should reflect the entire history. So, even though Simmons is no longer a producer, he was, and therefore should remain listed. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 11:45, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is written for the present, meaning if something is in the past that's denoted separately. The article should not refer to Simmons as an ESPN.com columnist when he does not work for ESPN. This whole bit doesn't belong in the article anyway: ""We're spinning off the 30 for 30 series next year into something that will probably be called 30 for 30 Presents or something like that... we're going to be putting out 4–5 sports docs per year on the level of the best 30 for 30 docs and getting the best filmmakers to do them. Same creative team is involved. We have some terrific ideas in the hopper. So even though the SMU doc will be the 30th one (right after the Heisman ceremony) don't think the spirit of the series is going away." That has all been covered by what 30 for 30 did release in the ensuing years. Speculation from Simmons in 2010 or 2011 is irrelevant when we have the actual facts. The only time it makes sense to include such a bit is when the future is unknown.  Enigma msg  22:05, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You're ignoring what WP:TVCAST says, that articles should reflect the entire history of a series. When writing a newspaper artical we use the present tense, but when describing something that has happened over a long period of time, we use the historical present. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 02:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Down in the Valley
Is 'Down in the Valley' ever going to happen? Does it have any recent confirmed news? Might it be worth putting as a blurb in the heading of 'Season Three' instead of 'TBA' yet still seemingly a possibility. It has, after all, been about three-and-a-half years and I have been unable to find any recent information even implying that it could be released. NotAdamKovic (talk) 14:49, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh Oscar
There's no doubt I Love 30 for 30, but now I can hope that Oscar Pistorius documentary they did on espn plus would come to either ESPN or ESPN2, if for one 4 day stretch, it dosen't have to be 4 days in a row of course, but on 4 available days, I want to see this documentary not just for myself but for America, and that would mean a lot. Thank you. Love: Its Joeysworld 8:30 November 10, 2010

ESPN Films Presents: Season 2
The section for ESPN Films Presents includes films from 2011-2012 and a single film from 2015. It appears that the 2015 film The Little Master was the first film in a second "season" of ESPN Films Presents. Season 2 films are listed here: https://thetvdb.com/series/346863-show/allseasons/official. Some of the season 2 films show up on Hulu in the US with the ESPN Films Presents branding, but for the others, I could not find confirmation that these films aired with the ESPN Films Presents branding beyond the link above. Further confirmation of this is needed. Even so, the presence of some of these films on Hulu suggests that the current article is incomplete and should be updated, but I'm not sure the best way to do that. It does not seem appropriate that these season 2 films be listed in subsection 3.1.1 as this suggests that they aired between Volume 1 and Volume 2 of 30 for 30 even though ESPN Films Presents films continue to air in 2022. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC)